Hey Cyclone fans, Raider here (sorry for the long post)

[WhatchaGonnaDo]

I just don't think anybody should be able to treat the administration like he did, and be able to survive. I couldn't go into my job, and tell my boss to "F__ Off", and be able to come back to work. Sometimes we treat these coaches more than what they should be. We treat them as icons. If they are good people, treat the kids great, kids graduate, and become good citizens, BUT they don't win...then they get fired. If the coach is a *******, and treats people like slaves, and like he owns the school, but wins, then he keeps his job, and gets raises, and is treated like a God at said school.

Leach didn't recruit, and in fact cancelled recruiting trips to go do what HE wanted to do. Leach didn't fundraise for the school to help SUPPLEMENT his own income, and to bring about better changes. We are just now trying to get a nice videoboard for the stadium, and an indoor practice facility. He never tried to take advantage of the success people thought he was having, although 3-4 of his wins every season were against these same creampuffs that we are still playing. Leach didn't try to build a defense, and didn't even know some of the defensive players names. Leach was CONSTANTLY looked for another job, and it cost us in recruiting. Leach's lack of recruiting really cost us last year on defense. We had 3 walk-ons playing in the secondary, and also had a converted WR STARTING at CB for us. It's starting to cost us on the OL this year, too. If we have an injury, or two on the OL, we are screwed...just like at DB last season. Who knows, we might have to have punter playing OT (jk, of course).

Tuberville is actually trying to build a PROGRAM, and that only comes through recruiting. He's also trying to run the ball more, which I appreciate. He's not going to go for it on our 25 yard line like Leach. I'll take Tuberville, and his recruiting abilities over Leach's offense any day. Also, his fundraising. Tuberville is trying to recruit speed, something Leach didn't care about.

Leach will get a nice QB, or WR every once in a while at WSU, but he won't have the same success he had at Tech. He won't recruit, and just doesn't have the recruiting base he had in Texas.

Leach didn't care about Tech, and doesn't care about WSU. He only cares about his offense, and himself.

I like how you go all caps on some words for emphasis. It's very useful.

 

[CyFan61]

You MIGHT have the edge in RB's (and that could be debatable), but NO WAY, NO HOW you have better (or deeper) WR corps than Tech does.

Where does this attitude come from? I'm genuinely wondering how you can think the RB discussion is even debatable. We are talking about two teams that just played a 41-7 game one season ago. Iowa State has four guys who I think could get carries and do big things with them on the 29th (White, Johnson, Woody, Nealy). Hell, throw Jantz in there because Barnett gashed your defense on the ground last year from the QB position, too.

Tech's first three games mean absolutely nothing now entering conference play. Same with the RB's statistics. Other than the destruction of three creampuffs, what gives you this opinion about RBs?

I would argue that ISU has a clear advantage with RB's and the WR discussion is debatable. Tech has five guys with 9 or more receptions, ISU has six. I won't claim to have any argument on which WR corps is better, but depth is something that Iowa State absolutely has improved this season.

I do not see where this Tech confidence is coming from. I get the sense from your posts that you're expecting a Tech victory. Can TTU win? Absolutely, but ISU should be the favorite. Do you disagree?

 

[ttraiderbacker]

There definitely was.

Here's a nice little video of Leach after a win against BU just in case you haven't seen it. He gets a little mad.[video=youtube;uZaOFTp5_C8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZaOFTp5_C8[/video]

 

[ZJohnson]

Anyone else see Tech's next six games?? Winning two of those games would be a HUGE accomplishment.

As for Gillespie, there are plenty of reasons his players don't like him. For one he is a dirty scum bag with a horrible attitude.

 

[Rabbuk]

Leach reminds me of a fat slob, oh he is one carry on.

 

[Al_4_State]

There definitely was.

Here's a nice little video of Leach after a win against BU just in case you haven't seen it. He gets a little mad.[video=youtube;uZaOFTp5_C8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZaOFTp5_C8[/video]

I think this video is awesome.

I remember that game. If ISU had done what Tech did, I'd want Rhoads going off like this too. I think his point is completely valid.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

I think this video is awesome.

I remember that game. If ISU had done what Tech did, I'd want Rhoads going off like this too. I think his point is completely valid.

I hadn't seen that video before, but I agree, it was awesome. I would hope that Rhoads would have had a similar ripping session after the loss to Colorado in 2010. No excuse for thinking you're high and mighty because you had success in the recent past.

 

[ttraiderbacker]

Where does this attitude come from? I'm genuinely wondering how you can think the RB discussion is even debatable. We are talking about two teams that just played a 41-7 game one season ago. Iowa State has four guys who I think could get carries and do big things with them on the 29th (White, Johnson, Woody, Nealy). Hell, throw Jantz in there because Barnett gashed your defense on the ground last year from the QB position, too.

Tech's first three games mean absolutely nothing now entering conference play. Same with the RB's statistics. Other than the destruction of three creampuffs, what gives you this opinion about RBs?

I would argue that ISU has a clear advantage with RB's and the WR discussion is debatable. Tech has five guys with 9 or more receptions, ISU has six. I won't claim to have any argument on which WR corps is better, but depth is something that Iowa State absolutely has improved this season.

I do not see where this Tech confidence is coming from. I get the sense from your posts that you're expecting a Tech victory. Can TTU win? Absolutely, but ISU should be the favorite. Do you disagree?

Yes, ISU killed Tech last year. The reason I think the RB position is debatable is the talent that we have back there. Eric Stephens (didn't play last year against ISU because an Aggy cheap shot took him out the rest of the) was actually leading the conference in rushing before his unfortunate injury last season. Kenny Williams is a different kind of back, and will punish the tackler. He's a former 4* recruit, just like Stephens was. Sadale Foster is new to Tech this year, and he comes from the JUCO ranks. This kid can do it all, and was a major part of Riverside College having a perfect season last year. He came to Tech with a couple of his buddies (starting MLB Will Smith, and CB Bruce Jones). He's about as fast, and shifty as you can be. Tech would also be four deep if we had Deandre Washington back this year, but he's recovering from an injury from last season suffered against Mizzou on their crappy field.

Just because ISU has 6 guys with 9 catches, doesn't mean you are deeper. Our guys haven't played a full game. We are legitimately 9 deep. (1) TE Amaro (was National #52 player out of high school) who flexes out to WR, and reminds people of former OU Gresham, he has that kind of skill set. Great size/speed (6'5 260 laser timed 4.48) combo with hands to match. Will be first round draft pick after his Senior year. (2) Bradley Marquez is a guy who is just now starting to get back into shape after spending the summer with the Mets farm system. Was RB in H.S who transitioned out to WR last year, and has great speed/shiftiness. (3) Darin Moore presents size issues for the DB. He's 6'4, and can run also. (4) Alex Torres was one of our better players the last couple of seasons but hes'just now coming back from knee surgery too, so hasn't played that much. (5) Our best WR missed one game this season due to suspension, and that would be Eric Ward. (6) Tyson Williams is the bigger brother of ATM's Trey Williams, and is a transfer from D2 school. Scouts have been drooling over him, because of his speed, and body type. He should be drafted high off his measurables alone. (7) Javon Bell was a highly touted JUCO guy, that is new. He can run, too, but he's best attribute is his leaping ability. It's off the charts. (8) Jakeem Grant (RSFR) is an undersized player, but will drive your defense batty. He's legit 4.3, but he's only 5'6.

None of this even mentions two others who should play quite abit in Marcus Kennard, and Derek Edwards, and Javares McRoy, who Tuberville is keeping out of action because of his tendency to miss some classes, and could be struggling with grades. McRoy is a RSFR transfer from Florida, and they don't normally recruit slow guys.

Tech is good enough, and deep enough to be able to RS guys like Dominique Wheeler, who was another highly touted 4* kid and National 171 player overall, and a Crabtree-type athlete in Reginald Davis (Davis was a National 237 guy).

So, that's why I would question ISU being as deep, or better than Tech at WR. Tech could go 10-11 deep, and not miss a beat with anyone they put in there this year...unlike last season. We will be alright for the next 5 years at this position, unless some people leave for lack of playing time.

 

[ttraiderbacker]

I hadn't seen that video before, but I agree, it was awesome. I would hope that Rhoads would have had a similar ripping session after the loss to Colorado in 2010. No excuse for thinking you're high and mighty because you had success in the recent past.

Yeah, but that was after a win. Probably doesn't make a difference to some people, but still thought I'd make that correction.

 

[cyclone87]

I wondered how long it would take for "that guy" to show up. Longer than I expected, actually.

Not sure what you mean by that. Do you disagree with something I stated there? Just don't think you can gauge how improved they are with who they've played so far.

 

[cyclone87]

Going to have to agree with ttraiderbacker on Leach, the guy won quite a few games but I'm not sure he is the type of person you want representing your university.

 

[ttraiderbacker]

Anyone else see Tech's next six games?? Winning two of those games would be a HUGE accomplishment.

As for Gillespie, there are plenty of reasons his players don't like him. For one he is a dirty scum bag with a horrible attitude.

Tech could win any of those games, as well as, lose any of those games.

But, I'll give a crack at it:

@ISU (W...call me crazy)
OU (W...guess I am crazy, but Tech has had great success against them lately)
WV (L...but this is a tough spot for them. they have to travel to UT the week before, so 2 straight weeks to Texas), and KSU coming the very next week. Could be a look ahead game for them.
@TCU (W...they are overrated, and soon people will realize this)
@KSU (W...We should of had them last year. They are winning with mirrors, I think)
UT (L...We don't play well against UT, but their defense isn't as good as people think)

I see 4-2, and 3-3 at worse.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

We go 12 deep on the d-line, have 2 all American caliber LBs and a very fast and talented secondary.

The only question about our offense is if they will stop turning the ball over at some point.


And, you guys have played an embarrassingly terrible schedule so far. I mean, come on! Texas State, Northwestern State and New Mexico? That's all I need to know about how meaningless Tech's stats are.


Sorry to pee in your Cheerios, Tech fan, but Paul owns Tubby and will continue to do so this year too.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Tech could win any of those games, as well as, lose any of those games.

But, I'll give a crack at it:

@ISU (W...call me crazy)
OU (W...guess I am crazy, but Tech has had great success against them lately)
WV (L...but this is a tough spot for them. they have to travel to UT the week before, so 2 straight weeks to Texas), and KSU coming the very next week. Could be a look ahead game for them.
@TCU (W...they are overrated, and soon people will realize this)
@KSU (W...We should of had them last year. They are winning with mirrors, I think)
UT (L...We don't play well against UT, but their defense isn't as good as people think)

I see 4-2, and 3-3 at worse.

Oof. You had me until those W/L picks. Those are......bold. Ignoring the ISU game, picking Tech to beat OU, Kstate, and TCU is, like I said, bold.

 

[Rabbuk]

Tech could win any of those games, as well as, lose any of those games.

But, I'll give a crack at it:

@ISU (W...call me crazy)
OU (W...guess I am crazy, but Tech has had great success against them lately)
WV (L...but this is a tough spot for them. they have to travel to UT the week before, so 2 straight weeks to Texas), and KSU coming the very next week. Could be a look ahead game for them.
@TCU (W...they are overrated, and soon people will realize this)
@KSU (W...We should of had them last year. They are winning with mirrors, I think)
UT (L...We don't play well against UT, but their defense isn't as good as people think)

I see 4-2, and 3-3 at worse.

I see 2 possible wins.

 

[CycloneErik]

After we take care of TCU to go 5-0, they won't be overrated. We can solve that problem.

 

[ttraiderbacker]

Oof. You had me until those W/L picks. Those are......bold. Ignoring the ISU game, picking Tech to beat OU, Kstate, and TCU is, like I said, bold.

That's what's so great about college football nowdays. Anybody can beat anyone. Did anyone really expect Tech to beat OU in Norman last season? Did anyone really think OSU would lose to ISU last year? Anybody really think Pitt would beat Va. Tech this week? How about Texas St killing Houston by 17 in Houston?

A lot of parity, and crazy things happen when you go on the road.

Yes, Tech could win any of them, or lose any of them, and I'm not downplaying ISU. I just think we are a ton better this season, and will show it in 2 weeks.

 

[ttraiderbacker]

After we take care of TCU to go 5-0, they won't be overrated. We can solve that problem.

I hope you guys throttle TCU to improve to 4-1.:wideeyed:

 

[CycloneErik]

I hope you guys throttle TCU to improve to 4-1.:wideeyed:

I think we can agree to agree on the first part and disagree on the second.

This should be a fun couple of weeks!

 

[00clone]

Leach reminds me of a fat slob, oh he is one carry on.

I think you're getting him and Mangino mixed up. They were both fired in the same off season for being a jerk, so it's easy to do.