Well, count me in that 5% then. Good for bragging rights but it has no bearing on if ISU makes the NCAAs.
Case in point, last season.
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Well, count me in that 5% then. Good for bragging rights but it has no bearing on if ISU makes the NCAAs.
Case in point, last season.
We aren't making the NCAA's so our Big 12 games have no bearing on that either. Besides, the selection committee doesn't put more value into conference wins as they do non-conference anyway. The only way you can not care about that game is if you never have to be around hawk fans.
Beating any big 12 team this season is a better win than Iowa and it's not even close.
Beating Iowa in any sport, any year, equals a good year. It means I will not have to listen to as much vomit being spewed from mouth breathing tavern hawks.
Yes, but losing to Iowa would have been worse than losing to any Big 12 team. All I'm saying is, in a year where we wont be playing in the NCAAs, I think a win over Iowa is big for most fans, regardless of how bad they are.
For some fans it might be, I was way more excited after each of the wins over ranked Big 12 teams.
They only overlapped one season but consider the total aggregate stats of these 3 (That was Johnny's first time in the post-season at ISU):
Stevens / Hornacek / Grayer
The Clones beat D. Manning / L. Brown's KU on a Hornacek runner in the lane at the buzzer that year. To me, that felt like the start of Hilton Magic. Not that I am, ahem, old enough to have been in the student section or anything ...
That was my first game in attendance. My buddy and I were yelling at each other from a foot away and couldn't hear a thing we were saying.
Vomit from fans of a program like Iowa should not bother you so much. It’s entertaining to listen to the jealousy and fear of Hawk, Bulldog, or Panther fans. Now, Jayhawk fans can go to hell.
Which I typically don't so it's a non-issue.
So you're saying if ISU had a winning record vs. the Big 12 this season, that wouldn't be more impressive to the committee than beating Iowa, and ISU's surge at the end of last season wasn't what got them into the tournament, even if they hadn't won the Big 12 tourney?
Interesting.
If you talking about generalities about the fan base, I can see your point for some ISU fans. I guess most posters on CF MBB board, follow the league more closely and would rather have B12 wins.
Personally, I enjoyed the wins vs West Virginia and Oklahoma (hopefully KU tomorrow) over EIU this year. In fact considering the poor season the Hawks are having this year, that win is even less impressive in retrospect.
The Matt Thomas steal and break away dunk at the end of that game when we are pouring it on was awesome. Vividly remember them showing Bill Self right after that and him biting his nails coupled with the look on his face was priceless
The Matt Thomas steal and break away dunk at the end of that game when we are pouring it on was awesome. Vividly remember them showing Bill Self right after that and him biting his nails coupled with the look on his face was priceless
That was a punctuation mark that just sealed it for me then and sealed it for me on the replay.
We will be next year. So, conference games will mean more to us for sure. And, I'd rather pick up a few wins in Maui. Imagine the hype train if ISU actually wins the Maui Invite.
I was in the student section for this game and it was during the years leading up to this game where Hilton Magic was born. I would also include the Lafester Rhodes game against Iowa. The stadium was shaking during that game.They only overlapped one season but consider the total aggregate stats of these 3 (That was Johnny's first time in the post-season at ISU):
Stevens / Hornacek / Grayer
The Clones beat D. Manning / L. Brown's KU on a Hornacek runner in the lane at the buzzer that year. To me, that felt like the start of Hilton Magic. Not that I am, ahem, old enough to have been in the student section or anything ...
I don't think the committee looks at conference wins differently than they do non-conference wins. In that sense, a game against Iowa is just as important as a game against Baylor. Now, if Iowa is terrible, then obviously a win against a good Big 12 team is more valuable. A win over a good Iowa team would be more valuable than a win over a terrible Big 12 team though. At least in terms of making the NCAA tournament.
So can you point to a year when ISU made the NCAA tourney, and the invite was determined by one game in December?
No. I also can't point to a year where an invite was determined by one game in February.
The best thing Prohm could do for tournament success is put that team that beat OU and Tech on a bus and send them to Kansas City. Then take that team that got their asses handed to them by K State and at TCU and put them on another bus and send them to Quebec City.I prefer to think that it's our inconsistency that makes us dangerous in the tournaments. Random variation says there's a chance we string three or four great games together in row.
In all seriousness, I'm very excited for the state of the program. What a time to be a Cyclone.
