Chizik vs Floyd

[Aclone]

Now come on, people, when Tim Floyd started pursuing the Chicago Bulls job, none of us were happy. As a matter of fact, most of us thought he was betraying us, because he was just starting to recruit good players--like this Marcus Fizer kid. And that other kid, the one from Sioux City, Hinrich, was going to be the point guard we needed. And yes, he'd talked about being a Cyclone lifer.

When Floyd left for Chicago, it was a punch in the gut--and not just because Beverly Floyd was gorgeous. He was throwing everything aside that he had come to Ames to do. Sure, Chicago was a great opportunity--but it was obvious that we didn't matter, just his own coaching ambitions.

Well, maybe most of us started to forgive him when the Bulls' best players essentially refused to play for him. Maybe more of us forgave him when he took a beat down with a roster constantly devoid of talent. Maybe even more of us forgave him when Larry Eustachy, his friend and successor, took us to within a heartbeat of the Final Four with the aforementioned Fizer--a year we should have won the whole damn thing.

Well, I dunno about Chizik in ten years, but Tim Floyd has one hell of a lot of cash in his pocket now, is at a glamour (if not an elite) school, and most of us would happily take him back were he to want to return to Ames.

Just sayin', there's not a lot of difference between Floyd and Chizik. Well, except that Johnny was forced out, so that Floyd would start off with a stocked roster. But Floyd definitely didn't "finish the job".

 

[cmoore_23]

but floyd started the job.. gene didnt even get it started.. and didnt we win a big 8 championship with tim.. it is a decent try.. but gene is not tim.. and i have way more respect for tim then gene.. because tim stil talks about iowa state.. in a good way

 

[Clonefan94]

I was really pissed about Tim Floyd as well. The only thing that made it a little bit easier to take was the state he left our program in. He set it up for a legitimate run at the National Championship. I didn't want him to go at all and actually still hold a bit of a grudge against him for running for money and not success.

Chizik has left us a pile of **** with a storm brewing around it that could throw it ten different directions and land on all of our faces. If the kids stay, I think we could be in good shape with a decent coach. I'm just afraid, from what I've been reading on the boards, we could lose a lot of kids. I'm sorry, but this is just that one notch higher than what Floyd did. IMO, Floyd was a fool to run to the empty Bulls TEam. Chizik is just an *******.

 

[kingcy]

Floyd did great things at ISU. He set the table for the best run in school history. He still talks good about ISU. Didnt his daughter graduate from Ames after he left. He help find a new coach. What did Chizik do?

 

[Aclone]

but floyd started the job.. gene didnt even get it started.. and didnt we win a big 8 championship with tim.. it is a decent try.. but gene is not tim.. and i have way more respect for tim then gene.. because tim stil talks about iowa state.. in a good way

In ten years Chizik might "still talk about Iowa State in a good way".

And I don't agree that that Chizik didn't start the job. Especially if the talent he recruited stays in the program.

 

[isucyfan]

The difference was that Floyd was a good coach.

He proved himself at ISU, as well as his other schools. I hated to see him go, but that's what happens to good coaches...they move on to better things. I just didn't think that happened to mediocre coaches.

 

[CycloneErik]

In ten years Chizik might "still talk about Iowa State in a good way".

And I don't agree that that Chizik didn't start the job. Especially if the talent he recruited stays in the program.

I think that what they're saying is that Floyd started it in much more concrete waysm big wins, national rankings (continued from Johnny), and trips to the NCAA, as well as the Big 8 Championship.

Chizik has started to bring in the talent, but he doesn't have any of the other things to back him up.

 

[Aclone]

I just didn't think that happened to mediocre coaches.

It doesn't. And that's the real reason everyone is mad.

 

[Aclone]

I think that what they're saying is that Floyd started it in much more concrete waysm big wins, national rankings (continued from Johnny), and trips to the NCAA, as well as the Big 8 Championship.

Chizik has started to bring in the talent, but he doesn't have any of the other things to back him up.

Yes, and all of that was far easier because Floyd was left a fully stocked cupboard. Chizik didn't have that advantage. Trust me, Johnny really hated being forced out.

That, and that Floyd stayed a little longer are really the only two differences.

 

[coachdags]

Head Coach Tim Floyd​

Tenure: 1995-98 (4 seasons)
Overall: 81-47 (.633)
Conference: 30-30 (.500)

Conference Titles: 1 NCAA: 3​

Not even close, Chizik was looking to jump ship. He could not even be honest about it, how about the reports last month that he re-gretted taking the job, and this last Sunday at Football team banquet, told all the players he was going no where......:skeptical: ​

5-19 says alot about his ability to overcome adversity......sad​

 

[Clonefan94]

Yes, and all of that was far easier because Floyd was left a fully stocked cupboard. Chizik didn't have that advantage. Trust me, Johnny really hated being forced out.

That, and that Floyd stayed a little longer are really the only two differences.

But they are huge differences. And tied together. Had Chizik stayed a little longer and not snuck out of town, we might have been left in a better situation.

 

[Aclone]

5-19 says alot about his ability to overcome adversity......sad​

I would have guessed that a coach would know that it's a whole lot easier to "overcome adversity" with a fifteen man roster and unlimited annual schollies (remember everyone complaining about Floyd running people off?), than an eighty-five man roster with a twenty-five annual scholly limit.

Of course, maybe I'm wrong about it being easier.

I think that had Chizik stayed even one more year, we would have seen a substantial difference. Now all of that hangs on a thread.

 

[Aclone]

But they are huge differences. And tied together. Had Chizik stayed a little longer and not snuck out of town, we might have been left in a better situation.

Had Floyd stayed a little longer, and not snuck out of town, we might have been left in a little better situation than his successor embarassing us nationally, and leaving the program in shards. :yes:

Edit: By the way, all I'm saying is that in ten years, we might not be so angry at Gene Chizik. Why waste the hate?

 

[Cyclonepride]

Floyd was a top flight coach, and as others have said, he left the cupboard stocked and helped find a good coach too. I was disappointed that he was leaving, but it was also cool to have a coach that was that highly thought of that he was national news. Chizik did nothing for us. Nothing.

 

[coachdags]

I would have guessed that a coach would know that it's a whole lot easier to "overcome adversity" with a fifteen man roster and unlimited annual schollies (remember everyone complaining about Floyd running people off?), than an eighty-five man roster with a twenty-five annual scholly limit.

Of course, maybe I'm wrong about it being easier.

I think that had Chizik stayed even one more year, we would have seen a substantial difference. Now all of that hangs on a thread.

JP went to work and got him the 3rd highest payroll package for asstiants in the Big 12, and gave him a oppurtunity for his 1st Head Job...? You can spin it anyway you want to about staying longer, dream job, more money ect.... bottom line he quit on ISU and was dishonest about it to the Alumni, Fans, Adminstration and worst of all the team:skeptical: Very un-professional

No comparison with Tim Floyd is even close....(imo)

 

[pulse]

Not a good comparison as people have said. I actually still have a grudge against Floyd, what with the way it overtly went down with Jerry Krause attending our games. I haven't really let it go. I loved him as our coach, and he liked his time in Ames and still thinks fondly of it. I still like him, but I can't stand him being at another school. I didn't mind it as much when he was failing horribly in the NBA.

 

[uthaman]

Right after Floyd took the Bulls job he flew into Des Moines to attend the Des Moines Cyclone Club summer outing. He spoke about how grateful he was for the opportunity Iowa State gave him, and how tough it was to leave. He then stayed around after the event until the last person who wanted to talk to him had left.

The memories of that event have always stayed with me. Floyd didn't have to come back for that. He didn't have to stick around to shake hands and pose in pictures. But he did.

It shows the level of the man's character and class. I don't think you will see the same from Chizik...

 

[cy2win]

it's closer to Bob Huggins at K-State

 

[Clones85']

Terrible comparison. Floyd won some games here and our program was on the rise. Chizik not so much

Let's quit this talk about how great of coach Tim Floyd is/was. He is not. He can recruit, but he has been fired from 2 jobs, and he continues to get outcoached while at USC.

 

[kingcy]

Right after Floyd took the Bulls job he flew into Des Moines to attend the Des Moines Cyclone Club summer outing. He spoke about how grateful he was for the opportunity Iowa State gave him, and how tough it was to leave. He then stayed around after the event until the last person who wanted to talk to him had left.

The memories of that event have always stayed with me. Floyd didn't have to come back for that. He didn't have to stick around to shake hands and pose in pictures. But he did.

It shows the level of the man's character and class. I don't think you will see the same from Chizik...

So you are saying he did those things after he left ISU. Funny thing is Chizik didnt like doing those things when he was at ISU.