Bubu Thread

[CYKOFAN]

Agreed. Clearly the university interprets "incapacitated" much differently than it is intended in the law (the code of conduct cites the legal standard so they should be the same) based on what many on here have said they are now told in freshman orientation. Based on the legal standard you have to no longer be in control of your actions. This is a high bar. She made a call to bubu to arrange a pick up (an act demonstrating she was in control) she recalled the event in her testimony, she testified that she was able to make a decision and did not consent (based on original allegations) hence I would imagine this was enough to demonstrate she was not likely legally incapacitated in the eyes of the prosecuter, the alj and the DC. But Leath and Ms. Stahle may have seen it differently. Also, they are contending he can be charged with one violation then found guilty of another on appeal to leath (from the appeal papers). This is odd and unusual for procedural grievances as a defendant wasn't defending against that charge (shouldn't the process start over?). Anyway, that is the only explanation that makes semi sense and somewhat explains Leath's bizarre behavior in a somewhat ethical light so I hope it's true even if I disagree with it. But again has a lot of holes still.

You make some valid points and I might be more sympathetic to the possibility that Leath is a hapless pawn to Stahle, a big donor, the BOR or whoever in this. But I have little doubt Leath worked on J.P.s public statement since Leath didn't make one of his own, and the statement was arrogant, defiant, and downright disrespectful to the district judge, and very divisive with the ISU basketball team and Fred. It showed a complete lack of humility and good judgment in dealing with the situation, and a woeful lack of knowledge of how ISU's own appeals system works. A lot of what I think of Leath's role in this situation is based on JP's defiant statement.

 

[clone4good]

sooo is bubu on the team or not?

 

[IAStubborn]

Where have I ever said he's guilty of sexual assault?

I'll wait, because I haven't.

He still could have used better judgement on the night in question, that is a fact. But hey, you'll overlook that.

Where did I say you ever said he was guilty of sexual assault? I remember you being very critical of him throughout this process at times irrationally so (siding against him regardless of events). I may be confusing you with someone else if so my apologies. I don't condone tag teaming an ex lover when she has been drinking but I also don't think in this case it was illegal nor a violation of CoC based on what we know and what those more in the know have said.

 

[jkclone]

sooo is bubu on the team or not?

As of right now yes.

 

[Nycclone]

Why is the accuser allowed to make an appeal with no new evidence or information? Why was her appeal given any serious consideration given the fact that she was caught red-handed fabricating evidence?

This whole mess just gives the impression that this is just one giant kangaroo court.

The answer to your first question is because that is how the process was set up. The answer to the 2nd question is that Leath isn't a judge, let alone a lawyer so he gave it serious consideration because the lawyer advising him, an Iowa law school grad, gave him bad advice. Cough *Stahle* cough. Finally, your impression sounds accurate so try not to get into trouble at Iowa State.

 

[Steve]

You make some valid points and I might be more sympathetic to the possibility that Leath is a hapless pawn to Stahle, a big donor, the BOR or whoever in this. But I have little doubt Leath worked on J.P.s public statement since Leath didn't make one of his own, and the statement was arrogant, defiant, and downright disrespectful to the district judge, and very divisive with the ISU basketball team and Fred. It showed a complete lack of humility and good judgment in dealing with the situation, and a woeful lack of knowledge of how ISU's own appeals system works. A lot of what I think of Leath's role in this situation is based on JP's defiant statement.

The statement is very different than what you would normally get from J.P. It is more focused on legal issues than issues typically handled by an AD or university president.

It came across as disrespectful of a court's decision. Does anybody actually believe that the legal team on the losing side would not have at least briefed the responding parties with a set of talking points if not an actual statement.

If they had not advised a response, it would have been even worse than giving a bad response. It would have been time to clean house in the AG's office.

 

[clone4good]

GOOD! Hope he makes it on the court, we need him.

 

[RustShack]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Does Leath usually come and sit in his seat just before tip off? If so, yes, I think they should boo him as he walks to his seat.

Then follow that with a "We want Bubu!!!" chant. I think that would be appropriate in this case.

I hope there's a we want Bubu chant. I'm beginning to think the only people supporting Leath currently are either related to him, or he's paying them to.

 

[Clonebydesign]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Bubu's dismissal left plenty of time to figure out a transfer. He and his attorney didnt request one, although ISU and Pollard clearly were okay with one had he applied. Maybe Bubu looked around and didnt like the options. But staying was clearly a bad decision. Not the first he's ever made.

Really? I don't know how you can say that about him, when he's gone through the hoops he had to and wasn't proven guilty of anything.

 

[bawbie]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

I hope there's a we want Bubu chant. I'm beginning to think the only people supporting Leath currently are either related to him, or he's paying them to.

Why does every debate about athletics always end up with this accusation? We've been there with McDermott, We've been there with Mess. Now Leath. Why can't you just debate an issue without accusing someone of being paid or related?

 

[IAStubborn]

You make some valid points and I might be more sympathetic to the possibility that Leath is a hapless pawn to Stahle, a big donor, the BOR or whoever in this. But I have little doubt Leath worked on J.P.s public statement since Leath didn't make one of his own, and the statement was arrogant, defiant, and downright disrespectful to the district judge, and very divisive with the ISU basketball team and Fred. It showed a complete lack of humility and good judgment in dealing with the situation, and a woeful lack of knowledge of how ISU's own appeals system works. A lot of what I think of Leath's role in this situation is based on JP's defiant statement.

Don't get me wrong I think leath has at best handled this without competance and at worst completely unethically. I fear it was a little of both.

 

[RustShack]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Why does every debate about athletics always end up with this accusation? We've been there with McDermott, We've been there with Mess. Now Leath. Why can't you just debate an issue without accusing someone of being paid or related?

Because one simply doesn't support something so bad for no reason. And there is no point in debating with people THAT blind/stupid. You must have missed all off the posts debating the same thing over and over already.

 

[cyclone87]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

A little more information regarding ISU's claim:
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John Infante, an NCAA compliance expert from AthleticScholarships.net, wrote in an email to the Ames Tribune that through normal transferring procedures, Palo could have gone to another institution as long as its classes had yet to begin.
“It would be a tall order for him to get eligible either immediately,” wrote Infante, “or get this year back plus a clock extension but it wouldn’t be totally unprecedented (Dez Wells, Josh Smith), although this has the added problem of being a mid-year transfer.”

Seems like it would have been fairly uncertain whether he could have transferred somewhere and played even for just the spring semester.

 

[MartyFine]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Enjoy Mayor for rest of year. Even he can't recruit against this garbage.

 

[alarson]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Other schools start later, there werer places to transfer to. Bubu said he would have transferred if he could have. Documents prove he could have. Someone is not telling the truth.

The school tries to spin it as he could transfer... but he could only transfer and then hope the NCAA would grant a waiver. At that point you decide whether the better fight is the NCAA or to stay at the school youve already spent several years at, with all your friends and family all the people you care about and take the fight to the school instead. Knowing that you could be screwed either way, id take the one that keeps me where i'm at and potentially clears my name.

 

[BallSoHard4Cy]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Is Bubu expected to play on Saturday? I could see Leath and Pollard telling Hoiberg to sit him but I could also see Hoiberg playing whoever he wants.

 

[alarson]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Really? I don't know how you can say that about him, when he's gone through the hoops he had to and wasn't proven guilty of anything.

Yeah, thats another thing... even if he was guilty in some minor way of crossing the student code, i think he's missed enough games at this point that you could count it as 'time served'

 

[jkclone]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Is Bubu expected to play on Saturday? I could see Leath and Pollard telling Hoiberg to sit him but I could also see Hoiberg playing whoever he wants.

I think he will play if he can help the team. I don't know what shape he is in, but it sounds like he has been working out so I'm guessing he can and will help us win.

 

[BallSoHard4Cy]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Enjoy Mayor for rest of year. Even he can't recruit against this garbage.

Considering this is Iowa State University​ vs. Bubu Palo, I doubt it.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Is Bubu expected to play on Saturday? I could see Leath and Pollard telling Hoiberg to sit him but I could also see Hoiberg playing whoever he wants.

Dunno...but I'm going to be there to find out...