Bubu Thread

[cycophagus]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

certainly the district judge has access to ncaa transfer deadlines. he made his ruling knowing what ISU just clarified.

in my mind the only reason this blew up is because they gave him a scholarship yet didn't let him play. also, can JP or Leath cancel a scholarship once Fred as promised it to a player?

I agree with your conclusion, although don't know how their decision making process works. My impression is that an athletic scholarship is analogous to a one year, renewable free agent contract that runs June to June. For the Iowa States of the world, an MBB scholarship is an investment in a high return revenue stream.

Leath asserts hat participation in extracurricular activities is a privilege and not a right. For major college revenue sports, however, participation is neither a right, nor a privilege. It is fulfillment of a business relationship. Through his bungling of this case, Leath has demonstrated his inability to grasp this concept.

 

[JAB]

Agreed. Clearly the university interprets "incapacitated" much differently than it is intended in the law (the code of conduct cites the legal standard so they should be the same) based on what many on here have said they are now told in freshman orientation. Based on the legal standard you have to no longer be in control of your actions. This is a high bar. She made a call to bubu to arrange a pick up (an act demonstrating she was in control) she recalled the event in her testimony, she testified that she was able to make a decision and did not consent (based on original allegations) hence I would imagine this was enough to demonstrate she was not likely legally incapacitated in the eyes of the prosecuter, the alj and the DC. But Leath and Ms. Stahle may have seen it differently. Also, they are contending he can be charged with one violation then found guilty of another on appeal to leath (from the appeal papers). This is odd and unusual for procedural grievances as a defendant wasn't defending against that charge (shouldn't the process start over?). Anyway, that is the only explanation that makes semi sense and somewhat explains Leath's bizarre behavior in a somewhat ethical light so I hope it's true even if I disagree with it. But again has a lot of holes still.

No, Leath and Stahle cannot conclude incapacitated because, as you noted, the statute and the code define it as the same. Make no mistake, there is no ethical light for Leath/Stahle here and there is still an appearance that the special assistant to the Iowa Attorney General is the actual one that is "pulling all the strings" and may be driven by a victims advocacy fight. She maybe passionate and even obsessed in wanting to make a statement and send a message that athletes will not get away with sexual assault. All well and good, except that it may very well be at the expense of an innocent student-athlete. And Leath, as an inexperienced President, may have succumbed to her political influence and pressure, but has tried mitigate the damage to Bubu - the possibly innocent student-athlete, by allowing him to stay at ISU and remain on scholarship.

This is just one of my theories.

 

[VeloClone]

Can one of the lawyers on here (real attorneys that is) weigh in on how the incapacitated due to intoxication provision has been interpreted in other cases. I have to admit when I read that part and the definition that was linked, I didn't get that you simply had to be legally intoxicated to be considered incapacitated and unable to give consent. It certainly appeared that you had to be beyond having control of you faculties.

I'd really like to know what the precedent in the State of Iowa is on this.

 

[CyAg]

Deadspin has a story (I know not the greatest source.
A University Goes To Court To Keep A Player Off The Team

However it was was a balanced read (albeit outdated on a couple of things based on additional information).

I was scrolling through the comments and saw one that was prretty direct. It is hearsay, who knows how true, but if there is a shred of truth to the comments, it tends to fit into what ISU has implied and I wonder how many here might just take a breath, step back and let this play out.

The comment can be found in group of them at the end of the article.

Who knows.

 

[Spam]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

After the one hundred wrong decisions ISU has made in this case, they have to top it off by taking it to the supreme court. Once the district court decided that ISU needed to be put back on the team, ISU could have simply said ¨OK, we respect the court´s decision, and this matter is now closed¨. Instead they have to go and make themselves look even worse. Following the district´s court´s order would have even have freed them of any liability arising from Bubu´s possible future misconduct.

Leath thinks he´s running a dictatorship. The ¨no one can tell me what to do and what not to do in my university¨ attitude is making him look terrible. Kim Jong Un of American universities.

 

[Die4Cy]

Delete this post. Total hearsay, not good for Bubu or ISU.

 

[klamath632]

Deadspin has a story (I know not the greatest source.
A University Goes To Court To Keep A Player Off The Team

However it was was a balanced read (albeit outdated on a couple of things based on additional information).

I was scrolling through the comments and saw one that was pretty amazing. It is hearsay, who knows how true, but if there is a shred of truth to the comments, it tends to fit into what ISU has implied and I wonder how many here might just take a breath, step back and let this play out.

The comments were:
"I go to state and I am very good friends with a manager of the team. its
pretty split on who wants him back. The actual transcript is disgusting
and they think hes guilty. The case talks about him and his accomplice
talking about passing her back and forth, as well as "who should go
first"

Who knows.

How would anyone know if they said things like that? Nobody would admit to doing **** like that. Nobody.

 

[JohnnyFive]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

If the Supreme Court actually rules that he has to be part of the team, there's no way Bubu sniffs the court. I would guess we'd see Kourtlin Jackson before we see Bubu.

 

[CyAg]

I have no problem with it being deleted, bit it is still out there.
Everything else out there is hearsay as well such as acusations against legal staff, ISU staff, or conspiracy theories. I have seen a lot of accusations of kangaroo courts, which this board seems to be doing the same to ISU right now.

 

[CycloneWanderer]

Yah, anonymous post on deadspin... completely believable.

 

[CycloneWanderer]

I have no problem with it being deleted, but it is not any different than accusations against legal staff, ISU staff, or conspiracy theories. I have seen a lot of accusations of kangaroo courts, which this board seems to be doing to SU right now.

except we're just throwing out theories, not trying to pass them along as insider information/fact.

 

[jkclone]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

If the Supreme Court actually rules that he has to be part of the team, there's no way Bubu sniffs the court. I would guess we'd see Kourtlin Jackson before we see Bubu.

Why? BuBu is much better and actually eligible to play.

 

[mikem]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

I hope there's a we want Bubu chant. I'm beginning to think the only people supporting Leath currently are either related to him, or he's paying them to.

GENIUS POST. Keep up the good work there

 

[CyAg]

All are theories and hearsay at this point.
I just suggest, let it play out and hope Bub gets justice, whether that is being fully back on the team or off.

 

[Clark]

Who was intoxicated? If they're both intoxicated, who gets to claim rape? First come first served? If they claim it at the same time do they get a second chance if they both say "jinx?"

Is it possible for a man to have sex while blackout drunk? I'm not saying she was that drunk but I see that line of thinking a lot and I always have the same thought. I've never tried so it's an honest question.

 

[RayShimley]

Is it possible for a man to have sex while blackout drunk? I'm not saying she was that drunk but I see that line of thinking a lot and I always have the same thought. I've never tried so it's an honest question.

I can't remember....

 

[SpokaneCY]

Delete this post. Total hearsay, not good for Bubu or ISU.

Applies to most of the ignorant posts on this thread by pseudo-lawyers and the like...

 

[SpokaneCY]

How would anyone know if they said things like that? Nobody would admit to doing **** like that. Nobody.

Said all those dudes who filmed, tweeted, texted and facebook posted their conquests throughout the digital era...

 

[cytheguy]

Deadspin has a story (I know not the greatest source.
A University Goes To Court To Keep A Player Off The Team

However it was was a balanced read (albeit outdated on a couple of things based on additional information).

I was scrolling through the comments and saw one that was pretty amazing. It is hearsay, who knows how true, but if there is a shred of truth to the comments, it tends to fit into what ISU has implied and I wonder how many here might just take a breath, step back and let this play out.

The comments were:
"I go to state and I am very good friends with a manager of the team. its
pretty split on who wants him back. The actual transcript is disgusting
and they think hes guilty. The case talks about him and his accomplice
talking about passing her back and forth, as well as "who should go
first"

Who knows.

This could get ugly.

 

[SpokaneCY]

This could get ugly.

Man are YOU late to the party. Ugly came and went then brought back the people SHE/HE thought were ugly.