This sums up my feelings pretty well too. And I'm sure 4% is a very conservative number.
Also says something when you are in such a minority that you have trouble finding someone that will let you buy the drugs necessary.
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This sums up my feelings pretty well too. And I'm sure 4% is a very conservative number.
Also says something when you are in such a minority that you have trouble finding someone that will let you buy the drugs necessary.
The problem with execution is that it is not just executing guilty people, something like 4% of people on death row are innocent. And that is sickening.
Edit: didn't get to the last two pages before I posted, don't execute me.
Edit: didn't get to the last two pages before I posted, don't execute me.
A prior arrest could be for anything.
Also, these stats dont do much considering for the past few decades we've made very little effort to actually rehabilitate. Id wager most come out of prison worse than when they came in, especially when you add background checks being more commonplace for employment making it even harder for them to function in normal society.
This is the problem. These criminals don't see prison as a place to be rehabilitated. They see it as a vacation from their criminal activities which they will resume the second they are released. Like you said... in a lot of cases these guys are worse when they get out then they were when they went into the prison system. What could possibly go wrong when you get a bunch of convicts together and let them interact? Yeah... they become more hardcore criminals.
If they really wanted to rehabilitate these people then each one would be held in solitary confinement. They wouldn't be able to see other inmates, interact with other inmates, etc... Complete solitude is the only way and that is never going to happen in the current prison system.
Come on. Criminals and rehabilitation shouldn't be used in the same sentence. I mean, I understand what you mean. But there should be a special place in hell for people who rape, or abuse children, or something of that nature. I highly doubt there is any type of infrastructure in place in our prison systems that focus on rehabilitation. What would that even look like?
I want ant to make the generalization that bad people are bad people, but what defines bad? Our current system invokes too large of a grey area, IMO. Why are child molesters and rapists treated the same way as thieves and drug dealers?
I agree with everything except them resuming their criminal behavior the second they are released.
They resume their criminal behavior the second they get to prison.
Most of them meet up with their affiliated gang inside and resume dealing drugs and plotting their next victim. There are probably a lot of long term/life sentence inmates who enjoy being in prison. Free meals, free shelter, part of a gang, and don't need a job. The only thing they don't have in prison that they would outside is women. But, they don't need that when they have pretty little school boys coming in every day.
This. It's as if the only difference between how these prisoners are handled is based on sentence length. If it's a life sentence or death row they aren't letting them out. If it's anything else like a 30 or 40 year sentence then hell... let's just parole them in 5 so we don't have to deal with them anymore. It's laughable. Look at Michael Klunder... there is absolutely no way in hell that guy should have been released early with his track record. How could anyone look at his history and feel confident he had been rehabilitated? These parole boards are doing society a disservice by being so damn easy on these guys and letting them out early.
We are better than these horrible criminals. Intentionally causing pain as a form of vengeance is just barbarism responding to barbarism. I am proud to live in a nation where juries of citizens in courts of law determine justice in a rational and level-headed way.
This is terrifying and should be the #1 argument against capital punishment IMO. Really needs to be considered by everyone in favor of it.
This is absolutely correct. My opinion has been for a long time that Capital Punishment is in direct violation of the Due Process clause of the Constitution. When new evidence becomes available, you are denied Due Process if you are dead.
You know there are a lot of repeat offenders when 24 states have enacted a form of the "3 Strikes" law. Every state should enact these laws and they should be strict. Obviously an individual that is convicted of multiple felonies has proven without question that there is no hope that they will ever be rehabilitated. They need to lock these people up and throw away the key.
To me it is amazing that in some states you can commit a murder and they will parole these people. How can anyone be granted their freedom after murdering someone? It's absolutely crazy.
To me it is amazing that in some states you can commit a murder and they will parole these people. How can anyone be granted their freedom after murdering someone? It's absolutely crazy.
The thing that sucks is if you keep them in prison, you find yourself transporting them to another prison and then BAM! You lost them and they're running down Merle Hay handcuffed and escaping for a few hours.
But I don't think an eye for an eye is necessarily the right answer. If it's a sex offender, don't kill them. Chop their boys off and shove them in a prison cell, where you hope they drop the soap, and they won't be able to do anything about it if someone else drops the soap in front of them. I call it the weiner for an eye method.
But I don't think an eye for an eye is necessarily the right answer. If it's a sex offender, don't kill them. Chop their boys off and shove them in a prison cell, where you hope they drop the soap, and they won't be able to do anything about it if someone else drops the soap in front of them. I call it the weiner for an eye method.
This country is too focused on what the punishment should be rather than what the treatment should be. It pisses me off that if you get a felony it basically ruins your chances of getting any meaningful job. Then they expect you to not recommit the crime. I'm strictly speaking of non-violent crimes. Things like selling a lot of drugs.
I can't believe how many people on here think that prison is some vacation for criminals. Have you ever been to prison? It's a nightmare. Just because you watched Shawshank Redemption a few times doesn't mean that you are an expert on the prison system in this country.
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No, but I do have someone close to me in prison, and you are correct. It is a horrid place, and they focus on punishment rather than rehab. That is why there are so many repeat offenders.
Exactly. You just want to survive. And once you are out you have so few options, which is why it is so easy to go back to crime. People who don't have experience with the prison system and with extreme poverty can't really comprehend what this is like.
Prisons are not resorts, no. And what they ARE is unbelievably over-crowded.
A fairly large part of that is due to the "war on drugs", which is sending addicts to prison. Call me a bleeding heart if you want, but addicts don't need incarceration, they need rehabilitation, treatment...some kind of pathway out of addiction. We don't incarcerate alcoholics (unless they commit other crimes while intoxicated), but drugs are a direct path to prison.
A fairly large part of that is due to the "war on drugs", which is sending addicts to prison. Call me a bleeding heart if you want, but addicts don't need incarceration, they need rehabilitation, treatment...some kind of pathway out of addiction. We don't incarcerate alcoholics (unless they commit other crimes while intoxicated), but drugs are a direct path to prison.
