CycloneErik
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The commentators actually addressed that. They pointed out that he was wearing a blue shirt, and that a man who gets nervous and sweats profusely would be afraid to wear a blue shirt.
A little emotion from Fred
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The commentators actually addressed that. They pointed out that he was wearing a blue shirt, and that a man who gets nervous and sweats profusely would be afraid to wear a blue shirt.
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DistrictCyclone
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Agreed. The heart issue plays in, but that has never been who Fred is or what he is about. You aren't going to change his style, nor do I want to. That calm approach is part of what made him an assassin from 3 and the FT line. This is who he is.
Fred owns a car dealership and wears sharp suits. I don't like where you're going with this.
Two words: Sam Gilbert - we just need to find our own version of him and we'll be on our way to a UCLA like dynasty.
Fred's fine. Leave the chair throwing to the Hoks.
Our fanbase is starting to sound pretty entitled, which reminds me of the Hoks too.
Our fanbase is starting to sound pretty entitled, which reminds me of the Hoks too.
I didn't get a chance to watch him much, but John Wooden wasn't really the "show emotion" kind of guy. He seemed to win a few games here and there. Everyone has different styles. It'll be ok.
Basketball is all about corralling your emotion, especially with a finesse team like we've got. Fred exemplifies this characteristic.
I think the MOST important thing for college basketball success is your recruiting. Along with that......most recruits will go to a school where they have built a good relationship with at least some of the coaching staff, and likely with the head coach. You see it in virtually any interview while they are being recruited, and after they sign. "I had a good relationship with Coach(es) X." Many recruits will witness a practice or two, and some games, and see the coaching staff in action before they make their decision.
I'm not so sure that the old school yelling at players and "getting in their faces" works that well with today's players. It may in some cases, like with Izzo, Coach K, whoever......because you cannot deny their past success. But again, it may work too because they recruited players who can not only handle that kind of coaching, but who actually prefer it.
CFH has his style. The players he has recruited (which have been pretty good players, btw) have come here at least partially due to his coaching style. Players want to win, as bad as coaches (and fans) do. I doubt any of the players came here with the attitude of "CFH is an easy-going guy......he will let me slide". At least I hope not.
I also think we need to remember that this is only CFH's 3rd year of coaching anything. Yes, he has had some early minor success, and it seems like too many on here expect that just to happen every year. It won't. It's his 3rd year people! Not just as a head coach, but as a coach, period!
Tom Izzo spent one year as a high school coach, and then 17 YEARS as an assitant coach on the college level before his first college head coaching job at Michigan State. 17 years! He followed legend Jud Heathcote. Izzo went 55-36 his first 3 years. Bobby Knight coached a high school JV for one year as his first coaching job. He enlisted in the Army, and served as an assistant for 2 years then took over as head coach of Army. He was 51-21 his first 3 years. Coack K enlisted in the Army, and "coached" service teams for 3 years. When he got out, he joined Knight's staff at Indiana for a year. Then he became coach at Army. His first 3 years his record was 38-47. All 3 successful coaches. All 3 "get in your face" type coaches.
Then there is Brad Stevens. Started out as a volunteer working in Butler MBB office. Then took a job under Thad Matta the basketball operations for Butler for a year. Matta left, and Todd Lickliter gave Stevens his first real coaching job. He was promoted 6 years later to head coach when Lick left for Iowa. His first 3 year record? 89-15. The most success of any of them.
My point is CFH is still learning to coach, and it may be a little painful for us as fans at times, but we all know he is talented enough, and smart enough to figure it out. I think it is obvious that the system he is developing, and his style and personality is attractive to quality players. As fans, we have to be patient and give it some time. I mean come on, we gave McDermott 4 years......and he had head coaching experience already! CFH's record so far in 3 years? 52-32. About the same as Izzo's....and certainly better than Coach K's. Give it time people. I think ISU has something special here.....but it needs a little more time to fully develop.
I'm not so sure that the old school yelling at players and "getting in their faces" works that well with today's players. It may in some cases, like with Izzo, Coach K, whoever......because you cannot deny their past success. But again, it may work too because they recruited players who can not only handle that kind of coaching, but who actually prefer it.
CFH has his style. The players he has recruited (which have been pretty good players, btw) have come here at least partially due to his coaching style. Players want to win, as bad as coaches (and fans) do. I doubt any of the players came here with the attitude of "CFH is an easy-going guy......he will let me slide". At least I hope not.
I also think we need to remember that this is only CFH's 3rd year of coaching anything. Yes, he has had some early minor success, and it seems like too many on here expect that just to happen every year. It won't. It's his 3rd year people! Not just as a head coach, but as a coach, period!
Tom Izzo spent one year as a high school coach, and then 17 YEARS as an assitant coach on the college level before his first college head coaching job at Michigan State. 17 years! He followed legend Jud Heathcote. Izzo went 55-36 his first 3 years. Bobby Knight coached a high school JV for one year as his first coaching job. He enlisted in the Army, and served as an assistant for 2 years then took over as head coach of Army. He was 51-21 his first 3 years. Coack K enlisted in the Army, and "coached" service teams for 3 years. When he got out, he joined Knight's staff at Indiana for a year. Then he became coach at Army. His first 3 years his record was 38-47. All 3 successful coaches. All 3 "get in your face" type coaches.
Then there is Brad Stevens. Started out as a volunteer working in Butler MBB office. Then took a job under Thad Matta the basketball operations for Butler for a year. Matta left, and Todd Lickliter gave Stevens his first real coaching job. He was promoted 6 years later to head coach when Lick left for Iowa. His first 3 year record? 89-15. The most success of any of them.
My point is CFH is still learning to coach, and it may be a little painful for us as fans at times, but we all know he is talented enough, and smart enough to figure it out. I think it is obvious that the system he is developing, and his style and personality is attractive to quality players. As fans, we have to be patient and give it some time. I mean come on, we gave McDermott 4 years......and he had head coaching experience already! CFH's record so far in 3 years? 52-32. About the same as Izzo's....and certainly better than Coach K's. Give it time people. I think ISU has something special here.....but it needs a little more time to fully develop.
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DistrictCyclone
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I would like to know how many of the people calling on Fred to "show some emotion" or "get in players faces" have any experience coaching basketball, at any level.
For the record, I have none.
For the record, I have none.
He is not the type of guy that goes crazy. He is not Tim Floyd. It is just not in his character. This has 0 to do with his heart issues, it is just the type of person he is. Anyone that has met him or dealt with him knows this.
My brother coaches high school kids who are different of course. He has said repeatedly that while he himself is not a real emotion guy, it also depends on the kid. Some respond well to it, while others play worse. I think you probably do have to keep the recipient of the message in mind as well as CFH's own personality. Can't imagine that screaming at Royce, for example, would have had a positive result.
Speaking of commentators. Doherty may be the worst I've ever heard. I wouldn't watch girl on girl porn if he was the commentator.
I coach and officiate and outside the coach feeling better, I've never seen hard evidence that getting in a player's face noticeably improves their play. Most of the time I've seen it the player gets even dumber and starts pressing.
As a coach I refuse to yell at players. People are more receptive to coaching if they respect the person trying to deliver the message. Singling out players doesn't accomplish that.
Last year I had a parent yell at me for not yelling at a kid when the kid blew a defensive assignment and gave up a go-ahead bucket with 10 seconds left. Instead of dwelling on it we went through the situation on the inbounds play and drew up our last play. We missed a jump shot and lost.
Would anything have changed if I'd blown up on the kid who blew the assignment? Maybe. Would it have been a good change? I doubt it, because he was the screener at half court and I needed him to be calm and just set his screen and not get hit with a moving screen. Fred does the same thing with players. He tries to keep them calm, make them understand their assignment and just execute. If you execute it doesn't matter that you screwed up before.
I agree......he is terrible. But the real question here is .......In your example....why would you need a commentator?
I switched to John Walters and muted him, but that was pretty annoying with the 10 second time difference.
If I could find some way to delay the radio feed so as to sync it up with the TV broadcast, I would do it in a heartbeat.
