A little emotion from Fred

Bobby45

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I don't know about EMotion but I do know that if Larry Eustasy was coaching that team last nite..........

Larry would have Chewed AS* for all he was worth, I saw Larry on numerous occasions Chew AS* on his players when they had a 10 point lead because they were screwing up....Way to go Larry...


I'm beginning to think that Fred is just a little too nice to bring us another big 12 regular season title.
 

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To be honest, wouldn't surprise me if Lucious is one of those guys that responds poorly to a coach getting in his face, especially during a game.

This why he left Mich State?
Was this part of NcDormat's problem at Ia. State?
 

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Coach K was so mad at his players last night that when they got back to Durham at 1:30 in the morning, he made them practice until 5. When he didn't think his teams played well enough, LE would have practice at 5 a.m. to get his point across.

I'm not saying Fred needs to go crazy on the sideline, but maybe he needs to have a 4 a.m. practice to get his point across....
 

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And KL playing like he was tonight cannot possibly be our best option. If so, then Hoiberg has not done his job at having a capable backup on the roster then.

I can't tell who is running the show anymore? Because KL isn't coming out of the game until KL decides he is. That is what it has become. Naz Long must really be horrible. At least that's the message that Fred is sending him.

I will liken Fred's calm coaching to your posting. We tell you constantly how ridiculous you are and how your posts lack thought and rationality. Nothing changes. It's similar to if Fred would unleash on his team. Nothing would likely change. He would probably just make them press more and make more mistakes.
 

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Coach K was so mad at his players last night that when they got back to Durham at 1:30 in the morning, he made them practice until 5. When he didn't think his teams played well enough, LE would have practice at 5 a.m. to get his point across.

I'm not saying Fred needs to go crazy on the sideline, but maybe he needs to have a 4 a.m. practice to get his point across....

Because they had 1 bad game?
 

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I coach and officiate and outside the coach feeling better, I've never seen hard evidence that getting in a player's face noticeably improves their play. Most of the time I've seen it the player gets even dumber and starts pressing.

As a coach I refuse to yell at players. People are more receptive to coaching if they respect the person trying to deliver the message. Singling out players doesn't accomplish that.

Last year I had a parent yell at me for not yelling at a kid when the kid blew a defensive assignment and gave up a go-ahead bucket with 10 seconds left. Instead of dwelling on it we went through the situation on the inbounds play and drew up our last play. We missed a jump shot and lost.

Would anything have changed if I'd blown up on the kid who blew the assignment? Maybe. Would it have been a good change? I doubt it, because he was the screener at half court and I needed him to be calm and just set his screen and not get hit with a moving screen. Fred does the same thing with players. He tries to keep them calm, make them understand their assignment and just execute. If you execute it doesn't matter that you screwed up before.


Works exactly the same way with message board dudes *cough*.
 

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Some coaches stay cool and collected on the sideline and some go nuts, and both kinds have had success. Fred was calm and composed as a player and I think that worked out pretty well for him. Some fans have a hard time understanding that teams don't play well every game, and if you don't play well on the road in the Big 12 you're going to get beat, no matter who we play. Fred is still building the program and this is not a great team. We depend heavily on the 3 because Niang is our only scorer down low, and he's been getting in foul trouble lately, which can easily happen on the road, especially to a freshman. Gibson has put on weight, but he seems to have lost his touch, so we're getting nothing out of the post. I'm still hoping he can get his touch back around the basket, which would be a huge boost for this team. And why would anybdy bash Cory Lucious when he has easily been our best clutch player in Big 12 games? Fred has done a great job and will continue to do a great job, and it's hard to understand this kind of meltdown by some fans over a Big 12 road loss, even if it is to a team near the bottom of the conference. It's still a Big 12 team and who knows, it's early and they may not end up there.
 

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If everyone on these boards knows so much about basketball why don't they go and play it for a living or get paid millions off dollars to
go and coach it
 

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If everyone on these boards knows so much about basketball why don't they go and play it for a living or get paid millions off dollars to
go and coach it
Funny thing about message boards. You could cut and paste this response in just about every thread. And, really, you're not wrong. But if you go on any message board about XYZ (whether XYZ is a sports team, a video game, a celebrity, etc), you're going to see criticisms about XYZ from people that, let's face it, don't matter. I think your sentiment is in the back of everyone's mind (at least it should be, IMO), but it's still fun to find people who think like you or find your insights valuable (or vice-versa). And in the end, we're all Cyclones fans, which is pretty darn cool.
 

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Because they had 1 bad game?
Is it just one? If you wait for a loss to correct issues, you have waited too long.

Fred can do whatever he wants on the court. We just need to play better in almost every aspect of the game. Usually that takes making it uncomfortable on the players at some point, whether it be in practice or in games.
 

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It's so funny to me how anytime something goes not as planned everyone freaks out and tries to find the answer. Fred getting up in his players faces and yelling at them during games is not his thing. I know I would have respected my coaches through my life much more through they had done the same.

Let's just hope he gets on them in practice and they come out on all cylinders against K-State.
 

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I remember hearing in multiple post game interviews both coaches and players indicating that Fred got messages across to players in no uncertain terms that play needed to improve. It certainly sounded to me like they were nicely talking about *** chewings.

It doesn't have to happen in front of cameras to happen.

I respect Fred's demeanor and more importantly the players and officials do too. Don't you think that Fred occasionally calmly talking to an official means more to them than Huggins' antics every time down the floor? I bet it is more effective in the long run because, like anyone else, officials want to be treated with respect and they are more likely to listen to someone who does.
 

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Anybody watch the West Virginia post game presser? A reporter asks Melvin how it felt to sit out the final 3 minutes after fouling out. Melvin said it sucked, and Fred corrected him and told him it stunk.

Fred wants to run a clean ship, very professional. These guys don't need him screaming at them to wake up and play better basketball. Even on the positive side of things he doesn't get emotional. He had very little reaction to Scottie hitting a buzzer beater to beat Okie State last season. I'm not worried about Fred, he will make sure we learn from this loss.
 

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So, for all these people who want Fred to get in his players' faces when they make an error, I have two questions:
1. When people working for you screw up, do you yell and scream at them in front of their peers?
2. When you screw up, does your boss yell and scream at you in front of your peers?
 

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So, for all these people who want Fred to get in his players' faces when they make an error, I have two questions:
1. When people working for you screw up, do you yell and scream at them in front of their peers?
2. When you screw up, does your boss yell and scream at you in front of your peers?
When you go to work, do you wear a jersey and a jock?

Different industries have different conventions and standards. Look at the top coaches in the game, a vast majority get animated and even yell and curse at their players when needed. The key is not to abuse it as a motivational tool.
 

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When you go to work, do you wear a jersey and a jock?

Different industries have different conventions and standards. Look at the top coaches in the game, a vast majority get animated and even yell and curse at their players when needed. The key is not to abuse it as a motivational tool.
Nobody wears a jock anymore.
 

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This thread is silly, this is how Fred coaches (along with many other coaches) and it works just fine. ISU played poorly last night, but I don't think it has anything to do with Fred's demeanor or style of coaching.
 

psyclone51

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When you go to work, do you wear a jersey and a jock?

Different industries have different conventions and standards. Look at the top coaches in the game, a vast majority get animated and even yell and curse at their players when needed. The key is not to abuse it as a motivational tool.

There is no sport where it is more difficult to control one's emotions than hockey. Fast, physical, etc. Yet watch a game sometime and see how many coaches yell and scream at their players? They save it for practice, when it can be used effectively.

So, now you are going to say that basketball players don't wear shoulder pads and cans, so they can't be compared to hockey players either.....
 

psyclone51

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This thread is silly, this is how Fred coaches (along with many other coaches) and it works just fine. ISU played poorly last night, but I don't think it has anything to do with Fred's demeanor or style of coaching.

Thank you!!