235 speed cameras Back On Monday
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Presumably you were speeding right before the snapshot was taken.
Crash statistics are an easy statistic to find but is it the best? Calling it dangerous or not based solely on crash statistics doesn't really tell the whole picture IMO.
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How do you figure? I'm failing to see how, so lay it out for me, if you would.
Is it though? You are saying it is impossible that it is not dangerous because there are not a high number of accidents. If three friends jump off of a cliff and only one gets hurt is it dangerous or not?
Say you were speeding up to allow someone to merge, or to pass someone to avoid something further down in your lane. Or aliens. What if there were aliens?
That CA Supreme Court case I linked to concluded the camera is not the accuser.
I go back and forth on traffic cameras.
They do seem intrusive and moving us towards a surveillance-state. BAD
They also seem effective in slowing motorists down and preventing motorists from running red lights (a particular pet-peeve of mine). GOOD
If the cameras didn't make money, they wouldn't be installed. If they cost a municipality MORE than they brought in, they wouldn't get installed. Since they bring in revenue, OF COURSE they are going to be installed.
Turnpikes have completely removed booths and gone to transmitters AND cameras. They mail motorists (or the license-holder of the vehicle, more accurately) a bill if they don't have an EZ Pass (for example) transmitter. This is not that different from traffic cameras. I haven't heard a lot of complaining about this use of cameras in a traffic situation.
They do seem intrusive and moving us towards a surveillance-state. BAD
They also seem effective in slowing motorists down and preventing motorists from running red lights (a particular pet-peeve of mine). GOOD
If the cameras didn't make money, they wouldn't be installed. If they cost a municipality MORE than they brought in, they wouldn't get installed. Since they bring in revenue, OF COURSE they are going to be installed.
Turnpikes have completely removed booths and gone to transmitters AND cameras. They mail motorists (or the license-holder of the vehicle, more accurately) a bill if they don't have an EZ Pass (for example) transmitter. This is not that different from traffic cameras. I haven't heard a lot of complaining about this use of cameras in a traffic situation.
Okay, so can the government official who signs the ticket tell you the context?
@Cyclonepride do you agree it we have a speed limit law, is should be enforced or not? If you agree we should enforce our traffic laws, shouldn't we do it using our latest technology?
They can tell you how the camera works and how it captures and stores data and describe what the photograph is showing.
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I don't know that either of those scenarios constitute an exception to the state speed limit law as it is written.
Again, I see laws as being designed to create an orderly society (not a society of order) as we see fit. If we decide that a person should be present, that the offense should be specifically targeted, and accept that (oh the horror) some offenses may go unpunished under such a system, then we can do that (and I wholeheartedly support such a system).
Cities completely abandoned all pretense of safety in their arguments to keep this. It's about revenue, plain and simple. That was their main argument, because the safety argument would not have been borne out by the facts.
and doesn't 10 miles an hour over the limit provide the cushion needed for a vast, vast majority of time you need to speed. I think so. If not ,raise it to 12 (for example).
However, I never hear anyone complaining that 10 isn't enough. That is never the argument I see anyway.
Which is why I think they should be honest and say, "heck yeah...it is about the money! ". But then....we are talking politician and "safety" sells much better.
I say be honest and compare that to raising taxes instead...or cutting "X" services.
