Because if we beat Kstate, then tech could finish ahead of them and one tiebreaker is comparing similar opponents. Others beat tech, we did not.Can someone explain again to me why we want Tech to lose?
Because if we beat Kstate, then tech could finish ahead of them and one tiebreaker is comparing similar opponents. Others beat tech, we did not.Can someone explain again to me why we want Tech to lose?
If Kansas and ASU win early Saturday... would we not?We don't control our own destiny after saturday no matter what.
I think I asked this question a couple days ago and someone explained to me that what I noted was accurate. There would be a high likelihood we make it if KU and ASU win but it's not a control our own destiny situation, craziness still could happen.If Kansas and ASU win early Saturday... would we not?
You know, unlike the women I dated in college, crazy just doesn’t excite me here.I think I asked this question a couple days ago and someone explained to me that what I noted was accurate. There would be a high likelihood we make it if KU and ASU win but it's not a control our own destiny situation, craziness still could happen.
@Big_Sill This would be how we don't make it in that scenarioNot fully control but it would be very very likely we are in. It would take a Colorado and ASU win + BYU loss to keep us out
Correct. Specifically, it's about our tiebreaker with Colorado.Because if we beat Kstate, then tech could finish ahead of them and one tiebreaker is comparing similar opponents. Others beat tech, we did not.
I still throw up a little bit in my mouth thinking how I wore that ******* Nebraska sweatshirt my staff gave me when I left Lincoln. I wore it because we needed Nebraska to win to have a chance to get to the CCG game. They won and we managed to lose the game to get in anyway.I distinctly remember good things breaking our way in 2004 and 2005. But we know what happened in each of those season finales.
How do you create a balanced schedule? Look at this year, the projected best teams are at the bottom (UU, OSU, UA) of the standing with the projected bottom at the top (BYU, ASU, etc.)
In the current format signing up for a system that gives your best teams harder opponents is a terrible idea. We're already on the cusp of missing out on the CFP as it is, why risk more losses to contenders?I'd love to see the Big 12 be the first to implement dynamic scheduling. Basically keep the last week or two of the regular season somewhat fluid or open and then pair teams towards the top the league that haven't played each other. Certainly not easy and would take effort but I'd argue you'd get better ratings and a clearer picture of who the two most deserving teams are to play in the Big 12 title game.
Thanks for all the info on this. In this scenario below ISU and ASU are in, but this has Tech winning twice and being above KSU. Did I do something wrong or not understand something?Correct. Specifically, it's about our tiebreaker with Colorado.
Our common opponents with Colorado are:
Assuming we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas but beats OSU, we are both 5-2 vs common opponents. Next tiebreaker is essentially who is the best common opponent that one team beat and the other lost to. So if KSU is above Tech, we win the tiebreaker. If Tech is above KSU, we lose the tiebreaker. If Tech and KSU are tied, it comes down to opponent win percentage, and Colorado cannot catch us there (in this scenario).
- Baylor (ISU/CU won)
- UCF (ISU/CU won),
- Tech (CU won, ISU lost)
- Kansas (ISU lost, CU TBD)
- Cincinnati (ISU/CU won)
- Utah (CU won, ISU TBD)
- Kansas State (CU lost, ISU TBD)
So if we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas and beats OSU, we need KSU's record to be equal to or better than Tech's record. That means we need KSU to beat Cincinnati plus Tech to lose at least once, or Tech to lose out if KSU loses to Cincinnati.
my head explodedCorrect. Specifically, it's about our tiebreaker with Colorado.
Our common opponents with Colorado are:
Assuming we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas but beats OSU, we are both 5-2 vs common opponents. Next tiebreaker is essentially who is the best common opponent that one team beat and the other lost to. So if KSU is above Tech, we win the tiebreaker. If Tech is above KSU, we lose the tiebreaker. If Tech and KSU are tied, it comes down to opponent win percentage, and Colorado cannot catch us there (in this scenario).
- Baylor (ISU/CU won)
- UCF (ISU/CU won),
- Tech (CU won, ISU lost)
- Kansas (ISU lost, CU TBD)
- Cincinnati (ISU/CU won)
- Utah (CU won, ISU TBD)
- Kansas State (CU lost, ISU TBD)
So if we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas and beats OSU, we need KSU's record to be equal to or better than Tech's record. That means we need KSU to beat Cincinnati plus Tech to lose at least once, or Tech to lose out if KSU loses to Cincinnati.
That’s what I told your mom.my head exploded
In the current format signing up for a system that gives your best teams harder opponents is a terrible idea. We're already on the cusp of missing out on the CFP as it is, why risk more losses to contenders?
(from a CCG and game quality standpoint, I fully agree with you, but that doesn't matter in 2024)
Not technically but we do control our own destiny if Kansas and Oklahoma State win on Saturday.If Kansas and ASU win early Saturday... would we not?
That's on me. My scenario is specifically if BYU wins out, but I didn't state that. I just edited my post to add that.Thanks for all the info on this. In this scenario below ISU and ASU are in, but this has Tech winning twice and being above KSU. Did I do something wrong or not understand something?
Correct. Specifically, it's about our tiebreaker with Colorado.
Our common opponents with Colorado are:
Assuming we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas but beats OSU (EDIT: and BYU wins out), we are both 5-2 vs common opponents. Next tiebreaker is essentially who is the best common opponent that one team beat and the other lost to. So if KSU is above Tech, we win the tiebreaker. If Tech is above KSU, we lose the tiebreaker. If Tech and KSU are tied, it comes down to opponent win percentage, and Colorado cannot catch us there (in this scenario).
- Baylor (ISU/CU won)
- UCF (ISU/CU won),
- Tech (CU won, ISU lost)
- Kansas (ISU lost, CU TBD)
- Cincinnati (ISU/CU won)
- Utah (CU won, ISU TBD)
- Kansas State (CU lost, ISU TBD)
So if we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas and beats OSU, we need KSU's record to be equal to or better than Tech's record. That means we need KSU to beat Cincinnati plus Tech to lose at least once, or Tech to lose out if KSU loses to Cincinnati.
Couldn't agree more. I heard Hassel and CW talking about this and I couldn't believe CW thought it was a good idea for the Big 12. Conferences should be trying to figure out the easiest path for their contenders, not actively sabotaging their efforts. It's also extremely unfair to the teams who have to play a tougher schedule to win the league. Just an insanely bad take.In the current format signing up for a system that gives your best teams harder opponents is a terrible idea. We're already on the cusp of missing out on the CFP as it is, why risk more losses to contenders?
(from a CCG and game quality standpoint, I fully agree with you, but that doesn't matter in 2024)