2024 Big 12 Championship Game Projections

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If Kansas and ASU win early Saturday... would we not?
I think I asked this question a couple days ago and someone explained to me that what I noted was accurate. There would be a high likelihood we make it if KU and ASU win but it's not a control our own destiny situation, craziness still could happen.
 
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Not exactly sure.
I think I asked this question a couple days ago and someone explained to me that what I noted was accurate. There would be a high likelihood we make it if KU and ASU win but it's not a control our own destiny situation, craziness still could happen.
You know, unlike the women I dated in college, crazy just doesn’t excite me here.
 
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Welp: Looks like I'll be betting ASU / KU / ISU money lines in a parlay to double down on my sadness when one of those doesn't happen.
 
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Because if we beat Kstate, then tech could finish ahead of them and one tiebreaker is comparing similar opponents. Others beat tech, we did not.
Correct. Specifically, it's about our tiebreaker with Colorado.

Our common opponents with Colorado are:
  • Baylor (ISU/CU won)
  • UCF (ISU/CU won),
  • Tech (CU won, ISU lost)
  • Kansas (ISU lost, CU TBD)
  • Cincinnati (ISU/CU won)
  • Utah (CU won, ISU TBD)
  • Kansas State (CU lost, ISU TBD)
Assuming we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas but beats OSU (EDIT: and BYU wins out), we are both 5-2 vs common opponents. Next tiebreaker is essentially who is the best common opponent that one team beat and the other lost to. So if KSU is above Tech, we win the tiebreaker. If Tech is above KSU, we lose the tiebreaker. If Tech and KSU are tied, it comes down to opponent win percentage, and Colorado cannot catch us there (in this scenario).

So if we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas and beats OSU, we need KSU's record to be equal to or better than Tech's record. That means we need KSU to beat Cincinnati plus Tech to lose at least once, or Tech to lose out if KSU loses to Cincinnati.
 
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I distinctly remember good things breaking our way in 2004 and 2005. But we know what happened in each of those season finales.
I still throw up a little bit in my mouth thinking how I wore that ******* Nebraska sweatshirt my staff gave me when I left Lincoln. I wore it because we needed Nebraska to win to have a chance to get to the CCG game. They won and we managed to lose the game to get in anyway.

Never again.
 

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How do you create a balanced schedule? Look at this year, the projected best teams are at the bottom (UU, OSU, UA) of the standing with the projected bottom at the top (BYU, ASU, etc.)

I'd love to see the Big 12 be the first to implement dynamic scheduling. Basically keep the last week or two of the regular season somewhat fluid or open and then pair teams towards the top the league that haven't played each other. Certainly not easy and would take effort but I'd argue you'd get better ratings and a clearer picture of who the two most deserving teams are to play in the Big 12 title game.
 

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I'd love to see the Big 12 be the first to implement dynamic scheduling. Basically keep the last week or two of the regular season somewhat fluid or open and then pair teams towards the top the league that haven't played each other. Certainly not easy and would take effort but I'd argue you'd get better ratings and a clearer picture of who the two most deserving teams are to play in the Big 12 title game.
In the current format signing up for a system that gives your best teams harder opponents is a terrible idea. We're already on the cusp of missing out on the CFP as it is, why risk more losses to contenders?

(from a CCG and game quality standpoint, I fully agree with you, but that doesn't matter in 2024)
 

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Correct. Specifically, it's about our tiebreaker with Colorado.

Our common opponents with Colorado are:
  • Baylor (ISU/CU won)
  • UCF (ISU/CU won),
  • Tech (CU won, ISU lost)
  • Kansas (ISU lost, CU TBD)
  • Cincinnati (ISU/CU won)
  • Utah (CU won, ISU TBD)
  • Kansas State (CU lost, ISU TBD)
Assuming we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas but beats OSU, we are both 5-2 vs common opponents. Next tiebreaker is essentially who is the best common opponent that one team beat and the other lost to. So if KSU is above Tech, we win the tiebreaker. If Tech is above KSU, we lose the tiebreaker. If Tech and KSU are tied, it comes down to opponent win percentage, and Colorado cannot catch us there (in this scenario).

So if we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas and beats OSU, we need KSU's record to be equal to or better than Tech's record. That means we need KSU to beat Cincinnati plus Tech to lose at least once, or Tech to lose out if KSU loses to Cincinnati.
Thanks for all the info on this. In this scenario below ISU and ASU are in, but this has Tech winning twice and being above KSU. Did I do something wrong or not understand something?
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Correct. Specifically, it's about our tiebreaker with Colorado.

Our common opponents with Colorado are:
  • Baylor (ISU/CU won)
  • UCF (ISU/CU won),
  • Tech (CU won, ISU lost)
  • Kansas (ISU lost, CU TBD)
  • Cincinnati (ISU/CU won)
  • Utah (CU won, ISU TBD)
  • Kansas State (CU lost, ISU TBD)
Assuming we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas but beats OSU, we are both 5-2 vs common opponents. Next tiebreaker is essentially who is the best common opponent that one team beat and the other lost to. So if KSU is above Tech, we win the tiebreaker. If Tech is above KSU, we lose the tiebreaker. If Tech and KSU are tied, it comes down to opponent win percentage, and Colorado cannot catch us there (in this scenario).

So if we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas and beats OSU, we need KSU's record to be equal to or better than Tech's record. That means we need KSU to beat Cincinnati plus Tech to lose at least once, or Tech to lose out if KSU loses to Cincinnati.
my head exploded
 
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In the current format signing up for a system that gives your best teams harder opponents is a terrible idea. We're already on the cusp of missing out on the CFP as it is, why risk more losses to contenders?

(from a CCG and game quality standpoint, I fully agree with you, but that doesn't matter in 2024)

Maybe. But let's say ISU wins this weekend and they had a random game against Cinci or something. ISU could miss the Big 12 championship game with a win because of these dumb tiebreaker scenarios. If they could flex and have ISU play CU or ASU or BYU, things become a lot clearer. Plus they'd get more eyeballs I bet because those games would be de facto play-in games to make the title game.

Agree you could be playing with fire if the setup goes the other way but if the Big 12 is only going to get one in the CFP (which is certainly the way things are trending), you might as well get your best and most deserving teams in the Big 12 title game.
 

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Thanks for all the info on this. In this scenario below ISU and ASU are in, but this has Tech winning twice and being above KSU. Did I do something wrong or not understand something?
That's on me. My scenario is specifically if BYU wins out, but I didn't state that. I just edited my post to add that.
 

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Correct. Specifically, it's about our tiebreaker with Colorado.

Our common opponents with Colorado are:
  • Baylor (ISU/CU won)
  • UCF (ISU/CU won),
  • Tech (CU won, ISU lost)
  • Kansas (ISU lost, CU TBD)
  • Cincinnati (ISU/CU won)
  • Utah (CU won, ISU TBD)
  • Kansas State (CU lost, ISU TBD)
Assuming we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas but beats OSU (EDIT: and BYU wins out), we are both 5-2 vs common opponents. Next tiebreaker is essentially who is the best common opponent that one team beat and the other lost to. So if KSU is above Tech, we win the tiebreaker. If Tech is above KSU, we lose the tiebreaker. If Tech and KSU are tied, it comes down to opponent win percentage, and Colorado cannot catch us there (in this scenario).

So if we win out and Colorado loses to Kansas and beats OSU, we need KSU's record to be equal to or better than Tech's record. That means we need KSU to beat Cincinnati plus Tech to lose at least once, or Tech to lose out if KSU loses to Cincinnati.

Duh. I'm kind of surprised you all didn't already know this...
 
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In the current format signing up for a system that gives your best teams harder opponents is a terrible idea. We're already on the cusp of missing out on the CFP as it is, why risk more losses to contenders?

(from a CCG and game quality standpoint, I fully agree with you, but that doesn't matter in 2024)
Couldn't agree more. I heard Hassel and CW talking about this and I couldn't believe CW thought it was a good idea for the Big 12. Conferences should be trying to figure out the easiest path for their contenders, not actively sabotaging their efforts. It's also extremely unfair to the teams who have to play a tougher schedule to win the league. Just an insanely bad take.
 
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