2024 Big 12 Championship Game Projections

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Couldn't agree more. I heard Hassel and CW talking about this and I couldn't believe CW thought it was a good idea for the Big 12. Conferences should be trying to figure out the easiest path for their contenders, not actively sabotaging their efforts. It's also extremely unfair to the teams who have to play a tougher schedule to win the league. Just an insanely bad take.
The SEC gets so much **** for having only 8 conference games, but it helps them immensely to avoid more guaranteed losses for their teams. They're actually the smart ones playing the game to benefit themselves. Under the current system they would be stupid to go to 9 games.
 

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The SEC gets so much **** for having only 8 conference games, but it helps them immensely to avoid more guaranteed losses for their teams. They're actually the smart ones playing the game to benefit themselves. Under the current system they would be stupid to go to 9 games.
But in turn can lead to circle of wins/loses like we have this year, where there's a legit chance for a 6 way tie at first place. Two teams are going to be pissed they got left out because of the 8 games, instead of 9 playing it all out.
 
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But in turn can lead to circle of wins/loses like we have this year, where there's a legit chance for a 6 way tie at first place. Two teams are going to be pissed they got left out because of the 8 games, instead of 9 playing it all out.
With 8 conference games, half the teams will receive 1 less loss. This makes your SOS look better because of that. ESPN didn't make the SEC go to 8 games as part of the TV package because the teams get tons of ratings gs against trash teams. Big 12 needed 9 conference games as those drive higher rati is for the conference.

If the Big 12 could switch to 8 conference games they should do it in a heartbeat.
 

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Divisions of 8 teams each. For example, this year we only have 2 opponents in common with Utah's schedule (Houston and UCF). Almost an entirely different schedule. Divisions guarantee that you will have at least 6 opponents in common and play head to head if you are in the same division, making a much more fair and balanced schedule.
We could actually have virtual divisions that rotate each year. Have 4 pods of geographical interest and just rotate them so that we don't go through a three year cycle without seeig a team.

For Example: Western Pod (ASU, UA, BYU and Utah), Big 8 Pod (KU, KSU, ISU and Colorado), Texas Pod (TT, UH, BU and TCU) and Easternish Pod (UCF, WVU, UC and OSU) with Divisions X and Y:

2025: Division X would be Western + Big 8 pods
2026: Division X would be Western + Texas pods
2027: Division X would be Western + Eastern pods

So, those 8 teams would play each other + have 1 game randomly assigned each year from the other virtual division matching #1 vs. #01, #2 vs. #2, etc. based on the previous year's record.

So, every team would play every other team at least once every three years and add a bit of fun wiht the random game each year. Something like that anyway.
 
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We could actually have virtual divisions that rotate each year. Have 4 pods of geographical interest and just rotate them so that we don't go through a three year cycle without seeig a team.

For Example: Western Pod (ASU, UA, BYU and Utah), Big 8 Pod (KU, KSU, ISU and Colorado), Texas Pod (TT, UH, BU and TCU) and Easternish Pod (UCF, WVU, UC and OSU) with Divisions X and Y:

2025: Division X would be Western + Big 8 pods
2026: Division X would be Western + Texas pods
2027: Division X would be Western + Eastern pod

So, those 8 teams would play each other + have 1 game randomly assigned each year from the other virtual division matching #1 vs. #01, #2 vs. #2, etc. based on the previous year's record.

So, every team would play every other team at least once every three years and add a bit of fun wiht the random game each year. Something like that anyway.
I'd trade OSU for Houston
 

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But in turn can lead to circle of wins/loses like we have this year, where there's a legit chance for a 6 way tie at first place. Two teams are going to be pissed they got left out because of the 8 games, instead of 9 playing it all out.
It's about the conference, not the individual teams. They're still getting more teams in by playing 8 games instead of 9.
 

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I'd trade OSU for Houston
I thought of that. Just trying to keep the Texas teams together. Plus, with my model, that is only 8 games a year, so we could have two random games based on ranking fro the other virtual division with the first one being #01 vs. #01, etc., and the other being high to low for #1 vs. #8, #2 vs. #7, etc.
 

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If KU wins Saturday do we want ASU or BYU to win?
 

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From what I can tell, our most likely path to the CCG is a 4-way tie at 7-2, so we want ASU to win.
Also seems like if im understanding correctly from the people a lot smarter than me. Priority 1. would be a KU win and then if we can get a OK State win over Tech that would go a long way no matter who wins the BYU/ASU game.

Someone please correct me if Im wrong.
 

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If KU wins Saturday do we want ASU or BYU to win?
Probably ASU, we would lose a tie breaker with Colorado if it was a 2-way tie except if Tech loses to either OSU or WVU in the next 2 games. I haven’t found a scenario where we are out of the championship game with 3 or 4-way tie for first place.
 
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Also seems like if im understanding correctly from the people a lot smarter than me. Priority 1. would be a KU win and then if we can get a OK State win over Tech that would go a long way no matter who wins the BYU/ASU game.

Someone please correct me if Im wrong.
Correct...

Have fun playing with the different scenarios and giving yourself a conniption:

 

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It's about the conference, not the individual teams. They're still getting more teams in by playing 8 games instead of 9.
eh, it'd put more teams at 3 loses instead of 1-2. The SEC will basically always get 4, but in a year like this they could have 6. However, just not enough spots for that. What do you say to Ole Miss who beat UGA, have two loses and don't make the playoff? Darn should have played more conference games.
 
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eh, it'd put more teams at 3 loses instead of 1-2. The SEC will basically always get 4, but in a year like this they could have 6. However, just not enough spots for that. What do you say to Ole Miss who beat UGA, have two loses and don't make the playoff? Darn should have played more conference games.
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

It's pretty simple, less conference games means less conference losses, which is an obvious benefit for the conference. They're the smart ones. If there's no rules against it the less conference games you play the better for the conference in terms of number of teams making the playoffs.
 
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I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

It's pretty simple, less conference games means less conference losses, which is an obvious benefit for the conference. They're the smart ones. If there's no rules against it the less conference games you play the better for the conference in terms of number of teams making the playoffs.
Can't help you then. Good day

I'm sure Ole Miss is going to feel real smart
 
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Can't help you then. Good day

I'm sure Ole Miss is going to feel real smart
They won all four non-conference games... replace one of those with a conference game that they win. What's the difference?
 

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Can't help you then. Good day

I'm sure Ole Miss is going to feel real smart
They're #9 in the CFP currently. So long as they win in the Swamp and don't completely sleepwalk into the Egg Bowl, they'll be in the playoff, despite piling on against 4 cupcakes in their non-con. Seems to be working pretty well for them. What point are you trying to prove?
 
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