*** Official #3 IOWA STATE vs Arizona Game(Day) Thread ***

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#1 seed is out of the question now unless we win at either Houston or Kansas. There's no guarantee we don't slip up in another road game like UCF either.

We are basically competing with Houston and a 2nd SEC school and maybe Michigan St. The rest of our schedule is pretty bad so we don't have alot of chances left for a signature win.
And there is no guarantee we lose at Kansas and Houston

Let things play out. Other teams will lose too...
 
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Watch the film. I don't know what the issue was, but he was playing flat footed. He was late on close outs and at times looked like he didn't want to. He didn't play as well as he has in other games at WVU and he responded with 30 the next game so hope he responds the same way Saturday.

I recall him getting blown by one early on in the first half. Other than that, I remember him dominating his guy in the post and making severally really good passes.

And to my point, even if he was a little flat footed can you blame him? 30 minutes Saturday. 40 minutes last night. None of this stuff happens in a vacuum.
 
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The only concern I'm showing is this seems like several games where we've turned in a "b" performance at best...especially on the road. At what point is that just our road games? And how does that effect on a neutral?

Well…they almost beat the number 1 team in the country on a neutral court. I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
 

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Well…they almost beat the number 1 team in the country on a neutral court. I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
Thats the hope. I've said this in previous threads... and i know this is different from a skill and "how they win" perspective... but this consistent having to come back from double digit deficits reminds me of the uab team.

Stupid sports trauma.
 

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The way I look at it is the team is a lock for the NCAA tournament. I’m not so worried about the seed ISU receives as I think they can beat anyone and anywhere.
The thing you know is coming is if we don't get a #1 seed they will match us up with Auburn or Duke. Can we beat either on a neutral court in March? Maybe, maybe not.

All I know is if a Final 4 is on the line I'd much rather take my chances against a 2nd SEC team like Alabama/ Tennessee. They won't put us in Houstons region as a 2. They did the same thing last year by putting us in Uconns region after we probably deserved a 1.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is we really need to be a 1 seed to stay away from Duke/Auburn until the Finak 4. It's inevitable that's what's going to happen just like last year.
 

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That was a brutal way to lose but that game in and of itself is just one game against a good opponent in a very tough environment. The thing that worries me is the pretty obvious regression of jackson and Chatfield the last several games. To get where we want to go (elite 8, final 4, national championship) we are definitely gonna need better play out of those 2 going forward. They were both basically unplayable at times last night as evidenced by us going to our small lineup alot more than usual. Those 2 were both soft with the ball, fumbled multiple passes right to them and got killed on the boards. Jackson was a little better in the 2nd half but Chatfield was absolutely awful last night.

Has Jackson really regressed? Everyone is dwelling on a couple bad plays, but I thought he had a good game. He had great energy early and had some good post moves/finishes throughout the game. He also extended at least 3-4 different possessions with offensive rebounds. He gets alot of the blame for their offensive rebounds, but I'm not so sure it's always his fault. With the way we guard you are constantly in rotation, and not necessarily in the best position to defensive rebound. Some of the boards we give up are attributable to that.
 
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The thing you know is coming is if we don't get a #1 seed they will match us up with Auburn or Duke. Can we beat either on a neutral court in March? Maybe, maybe not.

All I know is if a Final 4 is on the line I'd much rather take my chances against a 2nd SEC team like Alabama/ Tennessee. They won't put us in Houstons region as a 2. They did the same thing last year by putting us in Uconns region after we probably deserved a 1.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is we really need to be a 1 seed to stay away from Duke/Auburn until the Finak 4. It's inevitable that's what's going to happen just like last year.
Bring Auburn/duke. Duke was not impressive last night. Got to beat them to win the natty anyway
 
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Has Jackson really regressed? Everyone is dwelling on a couple bad plays, but I thought he had a good game. He had great energy early and had some good post moves. He also extended at least 3-4 different possessions with offensive rebounds. He gets alot of the blame for their offensive rebounds, but I'm not so sure it's always his fault. With the way we guard you are constantly in rotation, and not necessarily in the best position to defensive rebound. Some of the boards we can up are attributable to that.

I don’t think he’s regressed. I think the level of competition went up in Big 12 play and he hasn’t Or isn’t able to adjust.

Played well against KU but that was an outlier in conference. Games where he has score a bunch, has usually been at the FT line. When he’s not getting there, his offense is numbers are pedestrian.
 

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The thing you know is coming is if we don't get a #1 seed they will match us up with Auburn or Duke. Can we beat either on a neutral court in March? Maybe, maybe not.

All I know is if a Final 4 is on the line I'd much rather take my chances against a 2nd SEC team like Alabama/ Tennessee. They won't put us in Houstons region as a 2. They did the same thing last year by putting us in Uconns region after we probably deserved a 1.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is we really need to be a 1 seed to stay away from Duke/Auburn until the Finak 4. It's inevitable that's what's going to happen just like last year.
Duke had to muster everything it had to beat a 9-10 NCST. They are a young bunch

There is no UConn this year.

There is no major difference between 1 to 8 maybe even further.
 
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If we're debating a 1 vs 2 seed, and effort for an OT game at a good Arizona, we're in a good place.
Absolutely the win would have been awesome but our guys did play their butts off.
Don't know how it looked in person but Zona was big and strong. Reminded me of Baylor 5ish years ago.
Learn from it, get some more dubs now.
 

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So you're saying that, generally, officiating is terrible. What is the point of a rule if it isn't enforced?
That's a good question, and one that has been asked repeatedly over the last 40+ years that I've been watching college basketball. The overwhelming evidence suggest that in the modern game said call is just not going to be made consistently in the favor of the offensive player. As such, driving the lane against 3-4 defenders and expecting a foul call is usually not a good strategy.

Just like many other things in life that we should in theory be able to do and come out without favorable consequences, but that when done often/usually end up bringing up unexpected/unproductive/harmful consequences. Those who are successful learn how to navigate those things. Those who don't figure it out usually end up banging their heads against the wall in frustration.
 

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Does anyone know why the technical foul was called? The announcer said something about a flop. If that be the case was there any warning given prior? I didn’t see any.
 

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I guess where my mind winds up is that we may feel like we are in a little "slump" offensively, but we've managed to keep the ship pretty steady. Milan being out and Heise not being what we'd hoped for offensively is causing us to have to figure somethings out on the fly. The spacing with certain groups of the floor is brutal, and developing rotations is hard with so many guys that can't shoot. Despite that, we are winning more games than we are losing and Milan is only a few weeks away. Just keep things on the tracks for the next few weeks, get healthy and go on your run when it matters most.
 
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Has Jackson really regressed? Everyone is dwelling on a couple bad plays, but I thought he had a good game. He had great energy early and had some good post moves/finishes throught the game. He also extended at least 3-4 different possessions with offensive rebounds. He gets alot of the blame for their offensive rebounds, but I'm not so sure it's always his fault. With the way we guard you are constantly in rotation, and not necessarily in the best position to defensive rebound. Some of the boards we can up are attributable to that.
Jackson didn't play great but idk if he's regressed. Chatfield has really, really struggled and is almost not playable at this point. Now, I think that he can bounce back and I'm not counting him out, but he has to be better for us.
 

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Does anyone know why the technical foul was called? The announcer said something about a flop. If that be the case was there any warning given prior? I didn’t see any.
There are no more warnings in CBB, it's just a technical. It was also not the correct call but it didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
 
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When Fred was coach.....I can't remember his name from Okie State, but was one the nations best free throw shooters miss the back end of a 1-1 only to have Naz Long go down and tie it up at the buzzer and then ISU going on and winning in OT after being behind a majority of the game.

Crap happens.
 

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That's a good question, and one that has been asked repeatedly over the last 40+ years that I've been watching college basketball. The overwhelming evidence suggest that in the modern game said call is just not going to be made consistently in the favor of the offensive player. As such, driving the lane against 3-4 defenders and expecting a foul call is usually not a good strategy.

Just like many other things in life that we should in theory be able to do and come out without favorable consequences, but that when done often/usually end up bringing up unexpected/unproductive/harmful consequences. Those who are successful learn how to navigate those things. Those who don't figure it out usually end up banging their heads against the wall in frustration.
Fair point, but KG and CJ do this regularly and make buckets. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say.
 
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Duke had to muster everything it had to beat a 9-10 NCST. They are a young bunch

There is no UConn this year.

There is no major difference between 1 to 8 maybe even further.
Imo both Duke and Auburn are as good as Uconn was last year. I think this ISU team is also alot better than they were last year and it appears headed for the exact same seed line.
 

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Does anyone know why the technical foul was called? The announcer said something about a flop. If that be the case was there any warning given prior? I didn’t see any.

Flop warnings don’t exist anymore. Anything deemed a flop is a class B tech.