*** Official Eastern Illinois vs IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

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I think a lot of the improvement has come from getting those threes from continuously testing the defense, rather from just settling for the first open three that comes our way.
Yup much of the scoring in the half court is coming from the inside out instead of the other way around.
 
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Call me a pessimist if you want but the ship has sailed on Omaha playing meaningful minutes in Big 12 games this season. He's a very long ways from that. We're a team with a lot of new players and I'd rather see the minutes in these games going to the players who will be on the floor together during the meaningful minutes in conference play and deciding the outcomes of those games for the rest of the season.
OB is either going to need an incredible offseason or will need to transfer down a level.
 

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I'm on the side of top rotation players should play, along with TJ knows what he's doing, so I'm certainly not going to question it.

I was a little surprised to see Lipsey play 34 last night.
Needed his out side shooting skills. ;)
WOW! talk about a amazing yr to yr improvement.
 
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Short of saying score more points than the other team this seems to be the formula for any team to beat any other team.
Yes those can be the basis of pretty much any team. But there could be different more effective ways to game plan. For example against Iowa the more effective game plan was to pound the pillowing soft interior.

I'm was highlighting more how this team plans on playing it appears. They want to force other teams into jump shooting teams and although our offense has been more efficient than in the past I don't think we are a good offensive team yet. Especially if we have to slow it out in a half court type game.

That's why TJ has been trying to push the temp. This team is still very reliant on being good defensively to have a chance of winning vs B12 teams.
 
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Needed his out side shooting skills. ;)
WOW! talk about a amazing yr to yr improvement.
Love it!

Probably also a result of Gilbert foul trouble and TKing only playing 14 minutes (I assume due to his back?).
 

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I think the key to beating us seems to be about the same as the last two years. The defense tries to take away just about everything except you're going to get some good looks on threes, if you hit those and if ISU's shots aren't falling then you'll have a good chance to win.

The defense is probably not quite as good as the last couple years but on offense we have more than one or two guys who can shoot and get their own shot, so "the shots aren't falling" should hopefully be fairly rare.

I also keep forgetting we are down a starter. If Hason comes back and is at least close to his pre-injury level, I think the ceiling on this team can be pretty high!
 

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Call me a pessimist if you want but the ship has sailed on Omaha playing meaningful minutes in Big 12 games this season. He's a very long ways from that. We're a team with a lot of new players and I'd rather see the minutes in these games going to the players who will be on the floor together during the meaningful minutes in conference play and deciding the outcomes of those games for the rest of the season.
He has some development to do but it hasn't sailed as long as OB understands that and is ok with that. Given how Robert Jones, and other players have developed here I think he would be remiss if he thought the staff couldn't do the same for him.

My only concern with him is if he isn't ready for B12 competition that puts a lot of stress on the 4. We have 3 options now with Fish done. Go 4 guards, play Watson at least 15 mins there, or have Ward play a little there.

I'm thinking TJ wants to go 4 guards. Which puts us in a bind defensively. Ward at the 4 doesn't sound like a situation we want to get into unless it's an emergency. Looks like Watson will spend some time there. Defensively it'll work although I feel he's better suited at the wing.
 
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The team goes to Norman in two weeks and two games.

I don't know why it would be weird to tighten up rotations as the conference season looms.

That's a long time from now. I'd say the rotation has been "tight" for a couple of games already.
 

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That's a long time from now. I'd say the rotation has been "tight" for a couple of games already.

Two games is a long time?

Is there an example of coaches regularly emptying their bench in games leading up to conference season, particularly teams with lots of new players?

Omaha played 13 minutes two games ago. 4 fouls. Would 16 minutes be good for his development to foul out?
 

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My thought with Ward back is a big lineup has TKing at 4 and Milan at 3. Go small and Milan to the 4, with 3 options at the post. 4 guards and only one of RJones, Ward or TKing is in.

A lot of flexability with these 8. I don't see Ward playing the 4. We'll have see if Watson or OB have a role.
 

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I think we should run a big lineup of King/Ward/BRE/Momcy with Lipsey. Just set infinite screens for Lipsey and he can drive the lane for infinite points, kick to Momcy for a dagger-three in the rare event this plan doesn't work. Can swap Gilbert into the Lipsey role if Tamin gets into foul trouble or gets tired on his way to infinite points. Start planning the national championship celebration route in Ames.
 
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The numbers might say the conference is the best......but if true college BB as a whole just might be down this year. Oklahoma is good.........but no way top 10 good. Maybe not even top 25. Baylor, how the heck did they make their ranking...beating Seton Hall? Heck, Iowa did that.


It's quite a contrast when compared to the last two years and how many of those type of wins ISU had banked before conference play. More than likely ISU cannot afford a late January/early February swoon like last year and be comfortable making the dance.
If Iowa State goes 8-10 in this conference they are in. The Big 12 will get 9 this year and probably 10-11 moving forward. There is no conference that has a Top 6 like this one. Kansas, Houston, BYU, Baylor, OU, ISU and TCU. These will all be Top 6-7 seeds in the tournament and we likely have 2 #1 seeds.
 
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His improvement has been incredible
I was just looking at national stats and Lipsey's defense has been amazing. He's currently #2 nationally in Steals and #1 in Defensive Win Shares and tied for #2 in Total Win Shares (just behind Edey). He's just outside the top 10 in assists as well. He's up to shooting 50% from the floor and 40% from 3 (and shot almost 75% from the line since Orlando)

He's had 3+ steals in 10 straight games, which is insane. I couldn't find game logs for Tinsley, but the most Morris ever had was 4.
 

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He has some development to do but it hasn't sailed as long as OB understands that and is ok with that. Given how Robert Jones, and other players have developed here I think he would be remiss if he thought the staff couldn't do the same for him.

My only concern with him is if he isn't ready for B12 competition that puts a lot of stress on the 4. We have 3 options now with Fish done. Go 4 guards, play Watson at least 15 mins there, or have Ward play a little there.

I'm thinking TJ wants to go 4 guards. Which puts us in a bind defensively. Ward at the 4 doesn't sound like a situation we want to get into unless it's an emergency. Looks like Watson will spend some time there. Defensively it'll work although I feel he's better suited at the wing.
Feel like TJ has options to create match-up problems for opponents or to match-up. It helps to have big/experienced guards like Gilbert and C. Jones.

Big Lineup: Jones or Ward, King, Momcilovic, Gilbert & Lipsey
Med Lineup: Jones or Ward, King or Momcilovic, C. Jones, Gilbert & Lipsey
Small Ball Lineup: Jones or Ward or King, Momcilovic or C. Jones, Paveletzke, Gilbert & Lipsey
Really Small Ball Lineup: Jones or Ward or King or Momcilovic, C. Jones, Paveletzke, Gilbert & Lipsey
 

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I'm on the side of top rotation players should play, along with TJ knows what he's doing, so I'm certainly not going to question it.

I was a little surprised to see Lipsey play 34 last night.
Gilbert in foul trouble?
 
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