Time to fire Jeff Myers, Manning.

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To counter this: KU got leaky at times, but I thought their D played like they had something to prove today. They had an edge to their approach, were relentless in coming after Dekkers and their secondary was physical.

ISU certainly didn't help with their performance but I think KU at least makes many other teams uncomfortable on this specific day.

They did exactly what any team should do when facing an inexperienced QB in his first road game in conference play. Pressure the **** out of him and see what he tosses up for grabs. Get used to it, until ISU figures out a way to respond, he'll be seeing a lot more of that.
 

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They did exactly what any team should do when facing an inexperienced QB in his first road game in conference play. Pressure the **** out of him and see what he tosses up for grabs. Get used to it, until ISU figures out a way to respond, he'll be seeing a lot more of that.

Well it wasn't on the road but this is what ISU failed at last year at Tech.

It's interesting watching other teams go A----->B with their approaches while ISU just adds several steps between because 'process'.
 

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ISU's ball control eats up the clock so there are fewer possessions. Look Manning had us in the Top 20 in offensive efficiency each of the last 3 seasons. He should not be fired. That is crazy talk. Need to fix ST and hire an analytics guy. I do think Manning has lots of room for improvement in the red zone and short yardage situations. An analytics guy would help tremendously.
Football games are won by scoring points. If your offense isn't scoring points, you are failing. Amassing yards and leading in offensive efficiency are useless metrics if drives don't end with a score, which preferably should be a TD.

IMO, the ball control "eat-the-clock" offense is fine for a team that is at the beginning of rebuild, like at the beginning of Campbell's tenure. But there comes a point where the team needs to take the next step, and this offensive scheme isn't appropriate, at least not in the Big 12, for a team that wants to challenge for a conference championship. It requires too much precision and perfection to reliably score enough points to win 7,8,9 conference games.
 
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Some quick Google searches show the QB sneak success rate is around 90% but some of those are from 2 yards out. The Bills are 23 of 24 over the last 2 seasons. I can almost guarantee you Dekkers would pick up the 1 foot he needed there at least 23 of 24 times. Dekkers picked up a solid 2 yards on his sneak earlier in the game. Baby steps I guess. It was great to see him sneak it there. When's the last time Campbell tried to sneak it?

I am not a football coach, but know many on this board have coached. Can someone please explain to me why the QB sneak is not even a consideration, other than the fact that we go out of shotgun 99 percent of the time? Can’t a shotgun team occasionally put their QB under center?
 

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Last year Iowa, Baylor, WV, Tech, Clemson, OU

This year KU and Baylor

Very similar games in many respects, fall behind, zero sense of urgency, scramble to catch up and can't get it done.

Litany of errors in all of those games.
 

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Tom Manning doesn’t seem to have the personality needed to be a game time OC. A great play caller is always one step ahead of the game and has a quick and decisive personality. Tom might be good with analyzing a game, but year after year he shows a weakness when pressured. First and goal, we don’t seem to have the confidence to lineup and play. How many times in the last few years do you remember us burning a timeout on critical 3rd down situations because we couldn’t get a play called. Signs of an indecisive personality. People can learn new skills, but personalities are hard to change.
 

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Last year Iowa, Baylor, WV, Tech, Clemson, OU

This year KU and Baylor

Very similar games in many respects, fall behind, zero sense of urgency, scramble to catch up and can't get it done.

Litany of errors in all of those games.
This is why Campbell’s record in close scoring games is so bad. Comes down to game management. “Winning in the margins” isn’t happening at all, and hasn’t happened in 7 years.

The talk about is has been quiet because we had once in an Iowa State lifetime players here at the same time that could win games for us. Kolar, Breece, Montgomery, Purdy, Lazard, Butler, (and many others on defense too, Rose to name just one) etc all were game changing players who were able to overcome the poor game management and margin errors.

Now that we don’t have that talent anymore, we are pretty on par talent wise with Kansas. Kansas won because they were better coached, better managed, winning in the margins. Now, the talk about Campbell’s close games will come back full swing.
 
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My problem with the whole offense is we take the good aggressiveness away from guys cause they are so afraid to make mistakes.

And that would be fine, but we make more mistakes than really aggressive teams do, and we get no benefit from it.

We play very conservative, but we get none of the upside of playing conservative.
 

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Early on we saw easy flicks by Dekkers and confidence in the pocket …. I haven’t see that the last two weeks. I mentioned this before, but he must be injured. He seems limited and nervous in the pocket. and we aren’t seeing deep balls.

My two cents.
 
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We actually played well enough to win that game… just Hutchinson dropped the winning TD and he rarely drops anything…
We have lacked execution from the O the last two weeks. X dropped one last week too, IIRC that was key.
 

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Early on we saw easy flicks by Dekkers and confidence in the pocket …. I haven’t see that the last two weeks. I mentioned this before, but he must be injured. He seems limited and nervous in the pocket. and we aren’t seeing deep balls.

My two cents.

He's been scouted now. He needs to take the next step in his development as a starting QB.
 
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He's been scouted now. He needs to take the next step in his development as a starting QB.
There’s that too … but his mechanics seem different.
 

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They did exactly what any team should do when facing an inexperienced QB in his first road game in conference play. Pressure the **** out of him and see what he tosses up for grabs. Get used to it, until ISU figures out a way to respond, he'll be seeing a lot more of that.

they were only rushing 4 most of the time! It’s one thing to get blitzed, but this line can’t handle 5v4 blocking if a d lineman so much as sidesteps in an unexpected direction.
 
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