Gabby Petito found dead in Wyoming

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Talking doesnt help him, and it doesn't bring her back if she's dead. It only helps her if she was lost or kidnapped, and in that situation both seem like less likely scenarios.
But you said your premise is only that she's "missing." So if you don't know what happened to your fiancé, you wouldn't talk to the cops? That you wouldn't turn to any avenue to help find her? Please.
 
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But you said your premise is only that she's "missing." So if you don't know what happened to your fiancé, you wouldn't talk to the cops? That you wouldn't turn to any avenue to help find her? Please.

If he was innocent and had simply left her there after a fight/breakup he would know that he knows nothing of value in that instance. Wherever she is or whatever happened happened after that.

Either way there are more than enough stories of cops zeroing in on a boyfriend whether warranted or not that talking to police is always a bad idea.
 
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If he was innocent and had simply left her there after a fight/breakup he would know that he knows nothing of value in that instance. Wherever she is or whatever happened happened after that.

Either way there are more than enough stories of cops zeroing in on a boyfriend whether warranted or not that talking to police is always a bad idea.
Yes there are tons of instances of cops zeroing in on boyfriends and husbands. But a fail to see how refusing to file a report that she is missing or even saying where you last saw her does anything but ensure that the cops will zero in on him.

You can share a very limited amount of useful information without sitting down for an open ended interview.
 

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If he was innocent and had simply left her there after a fight/breakup he would know that he knows nothing of value in that instance. Wherever she is or whatever happened happened after that.

Either way there are more than enough stories of cops zeroing in on a boyfriend whether warranted or not that talking to police is always a bad idea.
On the contrary, I think it's more of where the evidence leads, and kinda think clamming up would make them "zero in" on the boyfriend even more. Certainly raises most peoples' suspicions. How would he explain his lack of concern about his fiancé's whereabouts? Not a red flag?
Also, what would be your conversation to your fiancé's parents?
 
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On the contrary, I think it's more of where the evidence leads, and kinda think clamming up would make them "zero in" on the boyfriend even more. Certainly raises most peoples' suspicions. How would he explain his lack of concern about his fiancé's whereabouts? Not a red flag?
Also, what would be your conversation to your fiancé's parents?

They're going to zero in on the boyfriend no matter what. All he can do is add more fuel to that fire.

You're the one inferring "lack of concern" from exercising his legal rights.
 

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They're going to zero in on the boyfriend no matter what. All he can do is add more fuel to that fire.

You're the one inferring "lack of concern" from exercising his legal rights.
Well, uh, yeah, when he returns home, in HER van, WITHOUT her, yeah I think that adds fuel to the fire? Justifiably so? And any intelligent person will "zero in" on him?
 
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Odds are pretty high a murdered woman is killed by her romantic partner. Guessing even higher when they go on the run.

You must watch a lot of Dateline. It's my wife and I favorite Friday night activity. We are cool like that. I'll be sure to catch the Gabby Pitito future one.

"If you watch Dateline, it appears most marriages end in murder" - Jim Gaffigan

 
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You must watch a lot of Dateline. It's my wife and I favorite Friday night activity. We are cool like that.

"If you watch Dateline, it appears most marriages end in murder" - Jim Gaffigan



Have never seen Dateline, have seen Gaffigan, have volunteered at a battered women’s’ shelter
 

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Well, uh, yeah, when he returns home, in HER van, WITHOUT her, yeah I think that adds fuel to the fire? Justifiably so? And any intelligent person will "zero in" on him?
You do realize you just made the point why he shouldn't talk to them. Weird approach to debate by making the other sides point.
 

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Only because people have been fed lots of copaganda in media that makes them believe not talking to cops is evidence of guilt as opposed to being a smart choice to exercise constitutional rights.

i don’t think that’s all. Just from a purely human perspective- it looks like he doesn’t care about her whereabouts AT ALL. If you’re loved one is missing you do everything in your power to make sure they are found safely. He didn’t just not talk to the cops, he also hid that she was missing from her parents.

it is definitely his right to not talk to the cops, but it doesn’t free him from criticism or suspicion. And his actions are suspicious as ****.
 

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Only because people have been fed lots of copaganda in media that makes them believe not talking to cops is evidence of guilt as opposed to being a smart choice to exercise constitutional rights.
Talking to the cops with legal representation present is fine. Running and hiding looks guilty as ****.
 

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But, unless he knew his fiance was dead, talking to the police would lead to the direct benefit of finding his missing fiance!

It is absolutely your right to not cooperate, and there are a multitude of times that's appropriate, but much like the 1st Amendment, the 5th Amendment does not protect you from consequences and criticism of exercising that right.

It would be to your direct benefit, if you are a suspect in a missing persons case, to direct law enforcement to the safe return of that missing person.

However in this case, its likely that giving this information to law enforcement would have led to the collection of evidence against the person as she was likely already passed away, so not to his direct benefit.

You are correct the 5th amendment does not protect you from the consequences of invoking that right. However, when you hand evidence over to law enforcement on a silver platter, the consquences are FAAAAR worse.

I know this is sort of an old school video and its long, but its SPOT ON:

 

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It would be to your direct benefit, if you are a suspect in a missing persons case, to direct law enforcement to the safe return of that missing person.

However in this case, its likely that giving this information to law enforcement would have led to the collection of evidence against the person as she was likely already passed away, so not to his direct benefit.

You are correct the 5th amendment does not protect you from the consequences of invoking that right. However, when you hand evidence over to law enforcement on a silver platter, the consquences are FAAAAR worse.

This whole line of thought supposes 1) he knew she was dead and 2) finding her was less important than self-preservation

neither of those make sense if he is innocent.
 

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This whole line of thought supposes 1) he knew she was dead and 2) finding her was less important than self-preservation

neither of those make sense if he is innocent.

Who said he was innocent? We don't know if hes guilty or innocent. (Personally, and IMO, hes guilty)

However, lets presume he didn't commit this murder. Talking to the cops could lead to the collection of evidence against him on other charges. Remember the whole "This can and will be used you in a court of law? What if he went on the record with some huge story about them having a physical fight and him leaving her on the side of the road. Right there, they have your confession for domestic violence and grand theft auto. He might not have killed her, but hes likely headed to jail. So its STILL not in his best interest to talk to the law enforcement.

And lets be honest, if she was still alive and he knew, his lawyer would have likely convinced him to come forward with that information and yet he didn't.
 

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Who said he was innocent? We don't know if hes guilty or innocent. (Personally, and IMO, hes guilty)

However, lets presume he didn't commit this murder. Talking to the cops could lead to the collection of evidence against him on other charges. Remember the whole "This can and will be used you in a court of law? What if he went on the record with some huge story about them having a physical fight and him leaving her on the side of the road. Right there, they have your confession for domestic violence and grand theft auto. He might not have killed her, but hes likely headed to jail. So its STILL not in his best interest to talk to the law enforcement.

And lets be honest, if she was still alive and he knew, his lawyer would have likely convinced him to come forward with that information and yet he didn't.

I didn’t say it was in his best interest to talk to the cops. But it is in her best interests (if she were alive) and it’s fine to judge him based on the facts that he clearly neglected her interests or any care about her at all.
 
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Which I get, but I think it's pretty common in these settings to find some kind of low level charge to charge him with so that you have an ability to bring him in and keep track of him. I guess I'm just surprised with all circumstantial evidence point to him they couldn't find something to charge him with in the meantime, or at least keep him surveilled.


Until there is a body or some other evidence, there is no crime. If police were allowed to charge on what little they had, they could literally make up something to charge anyone. You don't really want that.
 

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It would be to your direct benefit, if you are a suspect in a missing persons case, to direct law enforcement to the safe return of that missing person.

However in this case, its likely that giving this information to law enforcement would have led to the collection of evidence against the person as she was likely already passed away, so not to his direct benefit.

You are correct the 5th amendment does not protect you from the consequences of invoking that right. However, when you hand evidence over to law enforcement on a silver platter, the consquences are FAAAAR worse.

I know this is sort of an old school video and its long, but its SPOT ON:


I’m going to preface by saying I think this dude 100% is guilty. But it never benefits you to talk to the cops until you legally have to if you’re a suspect. Innocent or not.
 

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