Gabby Petito found dead in Wyoming

[srjclone]

I don’t know. Is it suspicious? Sure, but even if he didn’t kill her it probably shouldn’t talk to the police without his attorney/doing it for him.

Let’s say what actually happened was that they were both fighting and thought it would be miserable driving back together so he dropped her off in a nearby town so she could rent a car and they could drive back separately (I don’t think this happened, but just as an example). In that case, would talking to the police even be helpful at this point?

I mean, yeah. Maybe I'm being naïve here but in your scenario by simply just telling the police exactly that story, when she was first reported missing by her parents, would be a huge help in at least narrowing down where she was.

And to be clear, I am not saying he wasn't in his right to hire an attorney or that he shouldn't have, but to not provide any insight or information at all to help with her whereabouts is what I find it most suspicious.

Say in that scenario Maybe they had a huge fight and were on their way to getting a divorce. You think he still wouldn't have any worry if she was okay, and want to try and help find her?

 

[GoHawks]

I mean, yeah. Maybe I'm being naïve here but in your scenario by simply just telling the police exactly that story, when she was first reported missing by her parents, would be a huge help in at least narrowing down where she was.

And to be clear, I am not saying he wasn't in his right to hire an attorney or that he shouldn't have, but to not provide any insight or information at all to help with her whereabouts is what I find it most suspicious.

Say in that scenario Maybe they had a huge fight and were on their way to getting a divorce. You think he still wouldn't have any worry if she was okay, and want to try and help find her?

I get what you're saying but let's say you were innocent in your question. Law enforcement is likely to center around this "huge fight" they'll focus their questions around that and maybe you say too much now they're really keying in on just that person. It's a delicate situation I do think most people would do what you're implying but sometimes it's only more harmful

 

[jmb]

I get what you're saying but let's say you were innocent in your question. Law enforcement is likely to center around this "huge fight" they'll focus their questions around that and maybe you say too much now they're really keying in on just that person. It's a delicate situation I do think most people would do what you're implying but sometimes it's only more harmful

"anything you say CAN and WILL be used against you."

 

[srjclone]

I get what you're saying but let's say you were innocent in your question. Law enforcement is likely to center around this "huge fight" they'll focus their questions around that and maybe you say too much now they really keying in on just that person. It's a delicate situation I do think most people would do what you're implying but sometimes it's only more harmful

Yeah, you're right, that is totally fair and I get that. You see stories of wrongful questioning screwing an innocent person over because of the way a officer may slant some things or press on others. Totally get that.

I guess I am just thinking from my perspective, if that scenario played out to me and I knew I had nothing to hide I'd be frantically trying to get any information out there so we could locate her. Maybe that would end up being a bad thing in the long run for me, but idk if it would even cross my mind to lawyer up because my wife/fiance was missing. Here's to that never happening in my life! haha

 

[GoHawks]

Yeah, you're right, that is totally fair and I get that. You see stories of wrongful questioning screwing an innocent person over because of the way a officer may slant some things or press on others. Totally get that.

I guess I am just thinking from my perspective, if that scenario played out to me and I knew I had nothing to hide I'd be frantically trying to get any information out there so we could locate her. Maybe that would end up being a bad thing in the long run for me, but idk if it would even cross my mind to lawyer up because my wife/fiance was missing. Here's to that never happening in my life! haha

Haha yes your problem here is you're too good of a guy.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Yeah, there's a lot suspicious otherwise, but refusing to speak to police is just smart even if he's innocent.

I haven't followed this closely, but I'm curious if there was the suggestion of written questions submitted through the lawyer. It wouldn't help the police as much but in the case he actually was innocent it'd be a lot smarter way to engage with police to help get answers

He’s watched Making A Murderer no doubt.

 

[Clonedogg]

I'd lawyer up, too much at stake not to. It's so easy to misspeak or more likely for a seasoned interrogator to twist someone up, they have every incentive to close the case quickly.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Lot of people here have watched way too many cop shows on network TV.

 

[carvers4math]

Odds are pretty high a murdered woman is killed by her romantic partner. Guessing even higher when they go on the run.

 

[ISU22CY]

I'd lawyer up, too much at stake not to. It's so easy to misspeak or more likely for a seasoned interrogator to twist someone up, they have every incentive to close the case quickly.

Yeah Rule 1 Shut Up Lawyer Up whenever you're being questioned. Famous words out of any law enforcement mouths is "We just want to talk" when they really mean "We just want you to talk". (Should note I firmly believe he did it FYI but this still applies).

 

[srjclone]

Haha yes your problem here is you're too good of a guy.

and, no it's not lost on me that this character is on the LAM and framed as guilty for murder because he just wanted to find his wife

 

[Fishhead]

On a related note. I was watching the news a few days ago and the reporter pronounced the tetons (tee-tons) the (Teh-tons)

 

[Gorm]

Yeah Rule 1 Shut Up Lawyer Up whenever you're being questioned. Famous words out of any law enforcement mouths is "We just want to talk" when they really mean "We just want you to talk". (Should note I firmly believe he did it FYI but this still applies).

Couldn't agree more. I had heard somewhere that there are over 44,000 law violations that a law enforcement officer can charge you with. Talking to them freely and on the record, gives them the opportunity to go find something.

Honestly, unless talking to a cop leads to your direct benefit, you shouldn't talk to them, at anytime, anywhere, PERIOD. Also, if being questioned by law enforcement, make sure its clear and audible that you are not talking to them because of your 5th amendment rights. Some court ruled somewhere that not talking to police can be considered an "admission by omission" or such BS.

Oh, and expect law enforcement to say you are "not cooperative" about as loud as they can while you sit back and protect your rights.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

It'll be the Attorney laying the ground work for a mental illness defense.

If he hears voices, he clearly is mentally ill. I don't think that should exonerate what is clearly a cover up.

 

[bawbie]

Couldn't agree more. I had heard somewhere that there are over 44,000 law violations that a law enforcement officer can charge you with. Talking to them freely and on the record, gives them the opportunity to go find something.

Honestly, unless talking to a cop leads to your direct benefit, you shouldn't talk to them, at anytime, anywhere, PERIOD. Also, if being questioned by law enforcement, make sure its clear and audible that you are not talking to them because of your 5th amendment rights. Some court ruled somewhere that not talking to police can be considered an "admission by omission" or such BS.

Oh, and expect law enforcement to say you are "not cooperative" about as loud as they can while you sit back and protect your rights.

But, unless he knew his fiance was dead, talking to the police would lead to the direct benefit of finding his missing fiance!

It is absolutely your right to not cooperate, and there are a multitude of times that's appropriate, but much like the 1st Amendment, the 5th Amendment does not protect you from consequences and criticism of exercising that right.

 

[cydsho]

Yeah Rule 1 Shut Up Lawyer Up whenever you're being questioned. Famous words out of any law enforcement mouths is "We just want to talk" when they really mean "We just want you to talk". (Should note I firmly believe he did it FYI but this still applies).

Absolutely. This should not be viewed as an "anti-cop" stance. It is always in your best interest to have a lawyer present. Hell, you should really not say anything during a traffic stop.

 

[VeloClone]

Absolutely. This should not be viewed as an "anti-cop" stance. It is always in your best interest to have a lawyer present. Hell, you should really not say anything during a traffic stop.

Even in the traffic stop example there is a pro and con to interacting with law enforcement. Anyone who has simply gotten a warning when they clearly were speeding should realize this. You are **** or don't show any awareness or remorse for your crime and you are likely to not get any leeway from law enforcement. I don't have a problem talking to them because I know what I did. If I broke the law I am not going to lie in court later to fight it. I know if I am a **** about it the officer has zero incentive to be a nice guy/gal and I'll likely get a ticket. If I am nice, I still may get a ticket and I might not. But either way, I have treated another human being respectfully and not made their life a drudgery for just doing their job.

 

[alarson]

But, unless he knew his fiance was dead, talking to the police would lead to the direct benefit of finding his missing fiance!

It is absolutely your right to not cooperate, and there are a multitude of times that's appropriate, but much like the 1st Amendment, the 5th Amendment does not protect you from consequences and criticism of exercising that right.

Let's say he didn't know.

Let's say all he knew was that he left her after a fight and she was missing. He could rightly assume the cops would zero in on him from day 1, even if he did nothing (this has happened before and convicted innocent people)

The smart answer is to shut the **** up.

Talking doesnt help him, and it doesn't bring her back if she's dead. It only helps her if she was lost or kidnapped, and in that situation both seem like less likely scenarios.

 

[Rabbuk]

Let's say he didn't know.

Let's say all he knew was that he left her after a fight and she was missing. He could rightly assume the cops would zero in on him from day 1, even if he did nothing (this has happened before and convicted innocent people)

The smart answer is to shut the **** up.

Talking doesnt help him, and it doesn't bring her back if she's dead. It only helps her if she was lost or kidnapped, and in that situation both seem like less likely scenarios.

Yeah I agree unless he can say something definitive like a man in his 40s driving xyz vehicle with xyz plates he probably doesn't have much to gain from talking. Police are very good at eventually getting people to admit to the story they've put together for themselves a la the west Memphis 3. It's their job to interrogate you and the average person has zero experience while they have decades.

 

[CloneGuy8]

Some good advice