Steve Prohm says he'll meet with Jamie Pollard to discuss his future next week...

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Not his first rodeo. On top of him leaving town, I highly doubt he's going to leave his second most important hire "back in Ames to do" when he gets home. Like on post-it note on his monitor.
I lol’d thinking about Jamie getting back to his office on Monday, sending some emails, drinking some coffee, and going through his morning routine.. He looks at a post it note under his computer that says “Fire Steve” and goes “oh ****”.
 

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Clear.

I think the problem with your performance-based severance clause strategy is that the coach has to sign it...and it's not something that any other institution does wit their coach.

I don't think it's overconfidence as much as it would be a competitive disadvantage. You recruit the coach to sign your contract, you give him the market deal.
I also think many are overlooking that Jamie is running a nationally recognized organization that is often, if not always in the public limelight. He also has other, hopefully; high profile sports (departments) that rely on his leadership to be successful long term. How situations like we are in are handled can and will enhance or detract from the departments future reputation and abilities to attract and retainhigh quality personnel; so the in person meeting is essential IMHO and the result agreed by both parties.
 
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This isn't a "TJ vs Prohm" thing going on. We are hashing out who we think can build this thing back up and right now and TJ outside of being a homeboy doesn't have much going for him. Because every argument you can make for him you can also make for a dozen other coaches and..........Steve Prohm.

Because if I was the coach right now with 0 wins, on the way out the door and the only two applicants were Steve Prohm from Murray State and TJ Otzelberger from UNLV.....you going to tell me that it's TJ all the way based on his resume?
The problem is you can’t even remotely compare TJ currently and Steve Prohm of Murray State. TJ is a much better candidate now than Prohm was when he was hired.

You can make pluses and minus about every potential hire. Like I said there is no obvious answer this time. You and others continue to trash TJs resume using unrealistic criteria. Your holding TJ to he has to be the obvious no doubt choice. He definitely isn’t that this time but he is a really good option that people should consider.
 
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Coaches still move at that time. What was unclear about what I typed there?
Coaches will make moves to coach a top 10 team and try to take it farther. We aimed instead at TJ and Prohm. There's no "maybe" about whether we went cheap or not. We went cheap instead of aiming higher.

I agree-- I don't subscribe to the theory that just because we get into it late with Fred it precluded us from hiring someone better. It really doesn't limit who you can go for. Just look at Chris Beard, who was at UNLV for all of 19 days.
 
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Have we taken a look at that Albert Einstein guy? Heard he’s really good with numbers. Should translate to X’s and O’s.
 

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Between those two? It’s TJ no contest. Worked for Romar, McDermott and Hoiberg. Acknowledged recruiting ability. Two head coaching stints with multiple NCAA appearances. Prohm’s Murray resume doesn’t hold a candle to TJs current resume. If you’re willing to be objective. The only mark against TJ is this season.

Working with Romar is no resume enhancer......and neither with GMAC. In fact when working under GMAC it was admitted they underestimated what type of recruit was needed in the Big 12. And the gig at SDSU was a "walk into" just like Murray State. He has working with Hoiberg in his pocket as the only thing that stands out. That's it. But then.......Fred was coaching. Should we assume TJ could pick up where Fred left off? That would be like saying Jim Hallihan would have done just as good or better than Johnny because hey....he worked for Johnny. TJ has built absolutely nothing and that is what we are in dire need of right now.
 

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I agree-- I don't subscribe to the theory that just because we get into it late with Fred it precluded us from hiring someone better. It really doesn't limit who you can go for. Just look at Chris Beard, who was at UNLV for all of 19 days.

Exactly.
It's not like their relationships with recruits ends for that upcoming year or for their second year.
An incoming coach might have had to bite the bullet and settle for that top ten team for his first year. That wouldn't have been a hard sell.
 

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Working with Romar is no resume enhancer......and neither with GMAC. In fact when working under GMAC it was admitted they underestimated what type of recruit was needed in the Big 12. And the gig at SDSU was a "walk into" just like Murray State. He has working with Hoiberg in his pocket as the only thing that stands out. That's it. But then.......Fred was coaching. Should we assume TJ could pick up where Fred left off? That would be like saying Jim Hallihan would have done just as good or better than Johnny because hey....he worked for Johnny. TJ has built absolutely nothing and that is what we are in dire need of right now.

Working under McDermott is definitely a resume enhancer. Just because he didn't work out at ISU doesn't mean he isn't a good coach. he has proven he is a good coach. Romar did have a really good run at Washington, he just couldn't sustain it. Might be the best coach they have ever had.
 

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TJ people are fun......we get it, ISU ties. Without those, would anyone seriously consider him a candidate? Really? Base on....what, exactly?
That's kind of dumb question. Without ties to ISU would Hoiberg have gotten the job? Ties to a job are a factor. not the only factor but certainly one that should be considered.
 

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TJ people are fun......we get it, ISU ties. Without those, would anyone seriously consider him a candidate? Really? Base on....what, exactly?

TJ actually has a pretty good resume. I would consider him a candidate along with several others. Coach K is my first choice. Grand slam hire.
 

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For the TJ people...

Go to around 11:30 in this podcast and listen until around 13:30 or so. See what this guy thinks of TJ. Hint, it's not good. One of the worst coaches in the Mountain West. He can't believe ISU would want him and UNLV should pack him into a FedEx plane and send him to Ames.


(Click Play at the end of the sentence)
 
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Working with Romar is no resume enhancer......and neither with GMAC. In fact when working under GMAC it was admitted they underestimated what type of recruit was needed in the Big 12. And the gig at SDSU was a "walk into" just like Murray State. He has working with Hoiberg in his pocket as the only thing that stands out. That's it. But then.......Fred was coaching. Should we assume TJ could pick up where Fred left off? That would be like saying Jim Hallihan would have done just as good or better than Johnny because hey....he worked for Johnny. TJ has built absolutely nothing and that is what we are in dire need of right now.
Discounting Romar and McDermott is something people with no clue would do. People in the basketball world would laugh.
 
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For the TJ people...

Go to around 11:30 in this podcast and listen until around 13:30 or so. See what this guy thinks of TJ. Hint, it's not good. One of the worst coaches in the Mountain West. He can't believe ISU would want him and UNLV should pack him into a FedEx plane and send him to Ames.


(Click Play at the end of the sentence)
Talking heads are talking heads because they couldn’t do. They just talk.
 

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The problem is you can’t even remotely compare TJ currently and Steve Prohm of Murray State. TJ is a much better candidate now than Prohm was when he was hired.

You can make pluses and minus about every potential hire. Like I said there is no obvious answer this time. You and others continue to trash TJs resume using unrealistic criteria. Your holding TJ to he has to be the obvious no doubt choice. He definitely isn’t that this time but he is a really good option that people should consider.

Please show your work.

Prohm needs to be fired and I'd be okay with TJ coming on, but you sound like a moron when you say that TJ is a much better candidate than Prohm was at that time. Prohm had a .782 winning percentage in 4 years as a head coach. TJ has a 0.623 winning percentage in 5 years as a head coach.

Maybe TJ is a better recruiter, but does TJ have a recruiting pedigree as good as Isaiah Cannon, Cameron Payne, Talen Horton-Tucker and Tyrease Halliburton?

Even if you grant that TJ is a better recruiter, there are many more assistant coaches that have a better history of pulling in talent than TJ.

I'm not bashing TJ. I would be satisfied if they hired him, but don't feed me this Malarky that TJ is a much better candidate than Prohm was.
 

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Actually, Lute was born in North Dakota. Little town called Mayville.
That might be but Lute Olson coached in Los Angeles, CA (City College I think) before coming to Iowa City.....Which was a huge mistake because when your wife is very unhappy its time to cut the ties and move on to sunny skies and the Arizona Desert.
 
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So much genuine frontier gibberish.

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