Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[ArgentCy]

So my limited understanding is that during the 5-14 day incubation period, some people's bodies are able to fight the virus before it takes hold and causes symptoms. That's how they have antibodies but no symptoms. Remember, symptoms (fever, cough) are often your body's reaction to the virus, not caused by the virus itself.

I understand this, and this certainly makes containing the virus nearly impossible.

However, my understanding is that a large percentage of people are never getting sick from the virus. That shouldn't be possible. Unless it's a combination of variables or other factors. Unless someone can find some papers about other dangerous viruses causing no symptoms at all in some people. I know you can have carriers but they usually at least get sick, especially for more virulent diseases.

 

[jsb]

How many tests were performed for Sunday and Monday numbers when compared to Friday and Saturday? It’s good to see positives come down a bit. I hope total tests were consistent though.

 

[Acylum]

534 new cases and 4 deaths. Tested almost 4,000.

Any mention of tests still being backlogged?

 

[wxman1]

Any mention of tests still being backlogged?

In the presser they discussed working through the backlog in reference to why TestIowas machines were not running yet or something like that.

 

[Clonehomer]

I hate that the government has to mandate something that should be common sense. History has shown that even things that make 100% sense will be ignored by a certain percent of the population.

I don't think the government should be mandating masks. That is up to the individual store. That being said, if any store isn't requiring masks at this point, they should be held liable for the health of their employees. If you want a mask free store, then you're going to be responsible if your employee gets sick or dies. That's how this should be handled in this country, through responsibility of employers not government intervention.

 

[bawbie]

I understand this, and this certainly makes containing the virus nearly impossible.

However, my understanding is that a large percentage of people are never getting sick from the virus. That shouldn't be possible. Unless it's a combination of variables or other factors. Unless someone can find some papers about other dangerous viruses causing no symptoms at all in some people. I know you can have carriers but they usually at least get sick, especially for more virulent diseases.

The bolded statement is ... wrong. In every way.

 

[Clonehomer]

I understand this, and this certainly makes containing the virus nearly impossible.

However, my understanding is that a large percentage of people are never getting sick from the virus. That shouldn't be possible. Unless it's a combination of variables or other factors. Unless someone can find some papers about other dangerous viruses causing no symptoms at all in some people. I know you can have carriers but they usually at least get sick, especially for more virulent diseases.

I think it has everything to do with how long the virus takes to incubate. Most viruses infect rapidly and you show symptoms before your body can produce antibodies to fight it off. This is slower, so it makes sense that some people are able to fight it off before the virus can take hold.

As far as other viruses, a person can have HIV and pass it on without symptoms.

 

[spk123]

I understand this, and this certainly makes containing the virus nearly impossible.

However, my understanding is that a large percentage of people are never getting sick from the virus. That shouldn't be possible. Unless it's a combination of variables or other factors. Unless someone can find some papers about other dangerous viruses causing no symptoms at all in some people. I know you can have carriers but they usually at least get sick, especially for more virulent diseases.

Definitely not a doctor, but aren't there many viruses that can produce no symptoms in a lot of people but very serious symptoms in others? Maybe even to the point that it is the rule rather than the exception? I guess a classic example would be HPV. Others include Epstein-Barr, Polio, Even HIV can lead to a long asymptomatic period without necessarily progressing to AIDS. I'm sure there are loads of others that I'm not mentioning.

 

[isufbcurt]

I don’t really like the smoking analogy as that is definitely harming people. I’m ok with and probably a proponent of a requirement for mask if someone is sick.

For people without symptoms there is no evidence they are sick.

The seatbelt one was another one I thought about. I still don’t support seat belt usage laws as they are something that will harm you and not others. My grandpa was the same way when that actually started. He had already installed aftermarket seatbelts in his cars but was against requiring it.

Ultimately the seat belt analogy is where I will probably stay on a government requirement for masks with maybe temporary requirements in pandemic situations. Hopefully soon I will be able to comfortably wear one.

Your post confused me - mainly the bold

So if I as a healthy individual am carrying the virus but it isn't readily visible (as in I pass the minor symptoms off as allergies) I can still pass it on to a high risk individual which may cause them severe symptoms or even death. So really even if someone isn't showing symptoms they can still be carrying the virus and pass it on thus they should be wearing a mask.

 

[bawbie]

Definitely not a doctor, but aren't there many viruses that can produce no symptoms in a lot of people but very serious symptoms in others? Maybe even to the point that it is the rule rather than the exception? I guess a classic example would be HPV. Others include Epstein-Barr, Polio, Even HIV can lead to a long asymptomatic period without necessarily progressing to AIDS. I'm sure there are loads of others that I'm not mentioning.

You can probably just assume that Argent has absolutely no clue what he's talking about on this, just like everything else.

 

[PSYclone22]

Very important question that I had not considered until today.

While tuition is not being refunded, are students receiving a refund for remaining CyCash balances?

 

[GrappleCy]

For people without symptoms there is no evidence they are sick.

We don't know a whole lot about this virus but one of the things that we know absolutely for sure, that everyone agrees on, is that people are contagious before they show symptoms.

 

[3TrueFans]

The bolded statement is ... wrong. In every way.

Turns out getting medical advice from quack pot anti vaxxer con men isn’t ideal.

 

[bawbie]

There's tons of anecdotal stories like this from doctors - but it follows the discussion about how much we don't know about the virus. It seems to have a lot of varied responses in the way it attacks the body, from respiratory to cariac to cerebreral. There's also a lot of unknowns around long term affects, including permanent lung damage or brain damage (related to the loss of smell and taste)

 

[Macloney]

It was funny how those lawmakers who love to use their so called power while hiding in a capital building see some results of their actions. They needed a pants check, not a temperature check.

I would say that they had an appropriate response to what was basically a terrorist threat to their lives.

But we are all sure that you would handle having an assault rifle waved across your nose so well. We can just base that on how well you handle anonymous disagreements on a college sports forum.

 

[Urbandale2013]

Your post confused me - mainly the bold

So if I as a healthy individual am carrying the virus but it isn't readily visible (as in I pass the minor symptoms off as allergies) I can still pass it on to a high risk individual which may cause them severe symptoms or even death. So really even if someone isn't showing symptoms they can still be carrying the virus and pass it on thus they should be wearing a mask.

Asymptomatic is where the question really is. If we were in this situation and had a society who knew and was used to wearing them I’d maybe be supportive of a temporary requirement. As it is we have a society who isn’t used to it and uses them incorrectly. If people are going to use them correctly absolutely wear them any time you go out. I don’t think we are there.


Here’s a question for people. How many masks do you have? If you have a washable one how often are you washing it. If you use it right you shouldn’t be using it more than once.

 

[jsb]

Asymptomatic is where the question really is. If we were in this situation and had a society who knew and was used to wearing them I’d maybe be supportive of a temporary requirement. As it is we have a society who isn’t used to it and uses them incorrectly. If people are going to use them correctly absolutely wear them any time you go out. I don’t think we are there.


Here’s a question for people. How many masks do you have? If you have a washable one how often are you washing it. If you use it right you shouldn’t be using it more than once.

Wearing a mask incorrectly or messing with it is STILL better than not wearing one. Stop using this excuse and just admit you either don't believe in science or you are willing to pass on the disease to others.

 

[CycloneErik]

Your post confused me - mainly the bold

So if I as a healthy individual am carrying the virus but it isn't readily visible (as in I pass the minor symptoms off as allergies) I can still pass it on to a high risk individual which may cause them severe symptoms or even death. So really even if someone isn't showing symptoms they can still be carrying the virus and pass it on thus they should be wearing a mask.

But what if you're not comfortable?

 

[BCClone]

Very important question that I had not considered until today.

While tuition is not being refunded, are students receiving a refund for remaining CyCash balances?

No tuition. Just some fees and prorated room and board.

 

[madguy30]

I don’t really like the smoking analogy as that is definitely harming people. I’m ok with and probably a proponent of a requirement for mask if someone is sick.

For people without symptoms there is no evidence they are sick.

The seatbelt one was another one I thought about. I still don’t support seat belt usage laws as they are something that will harm you and not others. My grandpa was the same way when that actually started. He had already installed aftermarket seatbelts in his cars but was against requiring it.

Ultimately the seat belt analogy is where I will probably stay on a government requirement for masks with maybe temporary requirements in pandemic situations. Hopefully soon I will be able to comfortably wear one.

Except for other people in the car. If you get in a rollover and aren't buckled in you can easily land on others.