Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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ArgentCy

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How many deaths are acceptable to you?

Is there a number of deaths we would hit where you'd be open to changing your mind and closing things back up again?

This is just an unanswerable ridiculous question...

I will counter with these questions...

How many people and businesses do you want to close and lose their jobs?
How many freedoms and Constitutional Rights do you want to destroy?
Does the number of deaths from starvation have to outpace the number of direct deaths attributable to the virus?
How about the number of deaths from missed doctors appointments? No cancer screenings, elective surgeries, heart screenings / EKG's, etc?
 

NEPatriotscy

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Yes slowing it to the degree you want it to be slowed is what I mean. Doing what we did in March prevents nothing other than people getting it a few months later. Our measures we are taking to open up are fine by me so far.
You are SO wrong on your thinking. NO! If we did nothing in March, it would make it a lot worse than it is now (it's bad enough now). I had already posted somewhere that action taken a couple weeks earlier would have resulted in thousands less getting infected. This has been stated by epidemiologists and other researchers. And no, it does not mean that people would get infected eventually. That's pure BS.
 

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And what about the 100M+ of us for whom the disease is very dangerous or it is for someone we live with / care for? We should just go ahead and die already?

Taking Woody Guthrie out of context I think they'll say "So long, it's been good to know ya." :oops:
 
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NEPatriotscy

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From isuno1fan:

"This...it is going to spread regardless. It just comes down to pace of spread and what risk level you are willing to take on".

You are very WRONG. See my post to awd4cy. According to this logic, then countries like Greece, South Korea, and quite a few others should have many thousands more cases by now. But they don't. Why? Because strong measures were taken immediately. When you add the fact that it is likely that more effective therapeutic drugs and eventually a vaccine (hopefully by the end of this year), many countries will never see the proportion of infections and especially deaths we see in the U.S., UK, Italy, Iran, etc., etc.
 
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From isuno1fan:

"This...it is going to spread regardless. It just comes down to pace of spread and what risk level you are willing to take on".

You are very WRONG. See my post to awd4cy. According to this logic, then countries like Greece, South Korea, and quite a few others should have many thousands more cases by now. But they don't. Why? Because strong measures were taken immediately. When you add the fact that it is likely that more effective therapeutic drugs and eventually a vaccine (hopefully by the end of this year), many countries will never see the proportion of infections and especially deaths we see in the U.S., UK, Italy, Iran, etc., etc.
The chances of having a vaccine by the end of the year is near 0%. The chances of having one by the end of next year are low.
 

GrappleCy

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This is just an unanswerable ridiculous question...

I will counter with these questions...

How many people and businesses do you want to close and lose their jobs?
How many freedoms and Constitutional Rights do you want to destroy?
Does the number of deaths from starvation have to outpace the number of direct deaths attributable to the virus?
How about the number of deaths from missed doctors appointments? No cancer screenings, elective surgeries, heart screenings / EKG's, etc?

Lmao you can't even figure out that the CDC is a government organization why the hell are you even still posting?
 

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I can say for sure that the "masks required" policy at Menards now is not so much a requirement as it is a loose recommendation that is in no way being enforced.

The place I read about it said it starts tomorrow (Monday) so maybe they will enforce harder then.
 

CycloneVet

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You don't understand in the slightest how many people could die if we just open everything back up, including restaurants, stores, sporting events, etc without any treatment or vaccine available..... do you??

You're clueless buddy. We're talking millions.... but as long as it's not you, you aren't concerned, right? You feel like you're healthy and won't get it probably, am I right?

I can promise you I have forgotten more about herd immunity , virus spread , etc than you have ever known
 

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The 100,000+ that it is very dangerous for can stay at home. Staying in isolation though and slowing the spread doesn’t get us to normal quicker.

if you add up those over 65, obese, with heart disease or lung disease you are going to get well over 100M. Then you also have to account for those that care for them or live with them.

how do you propose to isolate the “healthy” part of the country from the “vulnerable” third to half? It’s not possible.
 

CycloneVet

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*our* fear. Fear of hundreds of thousand or millions of people dying because we didn’t take common sense measures. We’re all in this together - you don’t get to opt out of society.

Jfc millions of people aren’t going to die. There is what 240000 deaths world wide with all signs of slowing down. That’s 240k out of 7.5 billion.
 

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Jfc millions of people aren’t going to die. There is what 240000 deaths world wide with all signs of slowing down. That’s 240k out of 7.5 billion.

Its only slowing down because of the measures that have been taken worldwide. It will speed right back up again if morons get their way and we rush to reopen things because people go nuts over not getting a haircut.
 
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NEPatriotscy

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The chances of having a vaccine by the end of the year is near 0%. The chances of having one by the end of next year are low.
I know that chances are low to have a vaccine by the end of this year and that's why I used the word hopefully. However, we have companies that are working on a vaccine night and day. One is Moderna and early on it shows promise. The Oxford University vaccine trial is also promising. There are other companies and researchers working on one. I think the chances of getting a vaccine by the end of next year are very high in my opinion based on what I'm hearing from people in the know. Even Dr. Fauci said that a vaccine by the end of THIS year is possible if things go right.
 

CycloneVet

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Its only slowing down because of the measures that have been taken worldwide. It will speed right back up again if morons get their way and we rush to reopen things because people go nuts over not getting a haircut.

It’s a whole hell of a lot more than getting a haircut. Tell you what take your vitamins, wear PPE in public, eat right, get plenty of sleep, get some fresh air, and I bet you will be ok
 

CycloneVet

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I know that chances are low to have a vaccine by the end of this year and that's why I used the word hopefully. However, we have companies that are working on a vaccine night and day. One is Moderna and early on it shows promise. The Oxford University vaccine trial is also promising. There are other companies and researchers working on one. I think the chances of getting a vaccine by the end of next year are very high in my opinion based on what I'm hearing from people in the know. Even Dr. Fauci said that a vaccine by the end of THIS year is possible if things go right.

If things go right is a HUGE if in vaccine development
 

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Jfc millions of people aren’t going to die. There is what 240000 deaths world wide with all signs of slowing down. That’s 240k out of 7.5 billion.

Gonna see what happens in places like Italy, Germany, and France over the next several weeks. All of their cases have gone way down but they've been on hard core lock down I think (although did Germany open schools?).

I suppose Georgia and Florida will be included in that.

Otherwise I've not seen much that it's slowing down all that much to feel confident in.
 
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