Iowa State on the Field for the National Anthem?

Tre4ISU

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No, he has forums away from football where he can take up "the cause" whatever that might be. He's a part of a team that has a great opportunity on Thursday and I would think things like this might be a distraction. But I guess I'm probably wrong.

Nothing AL does right now, no matter how he does it, will be separated from football. It will not happen. This narrative is stupid and yes, you're wrong.
 

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People are protesting because they are being fed an agenda. Let's be honest, do any of these protests happen if Michael Brown doesn't get shot and a false narrative comes out about how he died?.

This was a long time coming. And its not just 'an agenda'.

Things like BLM rose up largely not because of specific incidents, but because of decades of mistreatment by the police and judicial systems. They blew up when they did because the ubiquity of video cameras thanks to smartphones made it that much easier for people to go "See?! We've been telling you this for years, now we have proof!". People rallied around specific incidents, but if it hadnt been those, it would have been others as it was never about one incident.

Then a guy known for racist behavior throughout his history, whose only political renown was leading a racist movement against the president, and whose major (only?) policy stance was attacking mexicans as rapists and murderers, runs a campaign high in racial messaging, and appoints people known for racism into his staff, including his future AG who was deemed too racist by the senate to be a judge at one point.

These things were all blatant before the election. And maybe some voted for Trump for other reasons. But even when they did, they'd have to be blind or in severe denial to not see his racism, meaning they decided 'The effects of his racism aren't important to me because it doesnt affect me'. That, in itself, is a major part of the racism in this country, and something i think more people need to take away from these protests. Just because you aren't viciously racist, doesnt mean you aren't part of the problem

First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

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There is no where, where I claimed that racism is not alive in America. However, I don't believe that forms of government in America are systematically attempting to oppress any minority group.

Whether or not you believe its happening that way, it doesn't just have to be forms of government for people to be live unfairly in society. Let me ask you this and please answer: if African Americans aren't in any significant way given the short end of the stick, then why do they have a higher percentage of people in poverty, prison, ect? I'd be very surprised if you can find a reason that doesn't make African Americans out to be inferior in some way.
 

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Well, if you're so racist that someone calling attention to the systemic racism that still exists in this country makes you decide you just can't watch that person play football anymore, there's the door.

Also, calling someone racist for not liking it when someone kneels for the anthem is wrong. You're all ********.
 

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This thread is shaping up just how I'd hoped.

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Also, calling someone racist for not liking it when someone kneels for the anthem is wrong. You're all ********.

Because its painfully almost nobody actually cares about whether they are kneeling or about the anthem. They dont like being made uncomfortable by someone calling out an uncomfortable issue.
 

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I guess i dont really mind if he kneeled during the anthem if we were typically on the field for the anthem. It would be strange for coach to change policy to allow alan to protest as suggested by the op.
 

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I think the goal is just discussion or awareness. Right now unfortunately most of what's happening is explaining to morons that these players aren't protesting the flag or the anthem.

You're right but it's still stupid. This move has been made during a national observance in the name of something controlled by localities. To be honest, the wrong person started it. I don't think Kap had any idea what he was getting himself into and I don't think he had quite worked through everything that may come his way.
 
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I think the goal is just discussion or awareness. Right now unfortunately most of what's happening is explaining to morons that these players aren't protesting the flag or the anthem.
You honestly think that people didn't know about police brutality before colin? Cmon now.
 

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The problem here is that people think they're kneeling because they don't respect the flag. Wrong. Do the people who participate in a hunger strike hate food? No. They are raising awareness. That's what the point of this is, and some people are too afraid to open their eyes and see it. Wake up and smell the roses people.
 

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Because its painfully almost nobody actually cares about whether they are kneeling or about the anthem. They dont like being made uncomfortable by someone calling out an uncomfortable issue.

Nah, I think people really do think they're protesting the anthem and do feel it slights the military and country. They're stupid and wrong but I think they think that.
 

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Nah, I think people really do think they're protesting the anthem and do feel it slights the military and country. They're stupid and wrong but I think they think that.
Instead of ignoring major issues, life would be better for everyone involved if society just ignored stupid people.

Sadly, that's impossible, but it would be nice.
 

Tre4ISU

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The problem here is that people think they're kneeling because they don't respect the flag. Wrong. Do the people who participate in a hunger strike hate food? No. They are raising awareness. That's what the point of this is, and some people are too afraid to open their eyes and see it. Wake up and smell the roses people.

This whole thing started with Kap and he stated he wasn't going to stand up and show pride in the flag of a country that oppresses people so he did bring the flag into it. Again, I think he was the wrong guy to do this or at least he didn't really have a plan when the backlash came.
 
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