***OFFICIAL*** Bulls confident Hoiberg next Bulls coach

[CarlHungus]

Why are you watching ESPN when Billy Madison is on TBS?

 

[Stormin]

I can guarantee you that the AD PUSHED ORR out of his job................Good old John Orr wanted One more year and the athletic dept said..."Hit the Door Jack er Johnny"......

Johnny was under contract for one more year. No way that the fanbase would have allowed Johnny to be fired. Johnny had one more year if he wished because he had a contract........unless you think Gene Smith would have fired him. Are you saying that Orr was given an ultimatum of resign or be fired?

 

[Cyclonin]

I don't really care about the NBA at all, and don't watch hardly any games, but I will actually be hoping the Bulls are horrible next year.

As a person I know that is a horrible thing to do.... I should want nothing but the best for Fred, but I just can't bring myself to that point. If the Bulls fail and Fred gets canned, he will still be set for life financially, so it's not like we will all need to feel sorry for him. He will be just fine.

I just like it when there are consequences realized to one's decisions. For example, if a baseball player uses steroids, I don't want them to succeed and not understand what a poor decision they made. I want their body to break down and for them not to succeed so that they realize the negative consequences of their poor decision.

I know Fred's decision is different in that he isn't cheating or doing anything illegal, but I do believe it is a horrible career move on his part, and it wouldn't hurt me one bit if he quickly discovers that and has to learn from it.

You don't mess with karma. And Fred had the perfect job and life in Ames, and now he's going to mess with that karma because he thinks the grass is greener in the NBA for some odd reason? I think most guys that have jumped to the NBA will tell you it's not all that it's cracked up to be. It will not hurt me in the least if Fred does not find success there. In fact, I will be a bit happier if he doesn't, and he realizes just how good he really had it in Ames.

How are we to judge what a horrible or great move is for his career? Fred won't be coaching much longer, and he has a chance to double his money? Sounds like a good financial decision. Although I can agree with you to an extent. I don't want to see the Bulls succeed but that is more related to my hate of GarPax than Fred. Fred just happens to be a bystander there. I just can't stand that organization and don't understand why someone would want to go work for those doorknobs.

 

[Stormin]

How are we to judge what a horrible or great move is for his career? Fred won't be coaching much longer, and he has a chance to double his money? Sounds like a good financial decision. Although I can agree with you to an extent. I don't want to see the Bulls succeed but that is more related to my hate of GarPax than Fred. Fred just happens to be a bystander there. I just can't stand that organization and don't understand why someone would want to go work for those doorknobs.

What makes you say that Fred is not going to coach much longer?

 

[Wesley]

Sorry guys, I'm overseas right now. I don't get very many op's to the TV or computer. Just wondering what the big delay is this morning in the Hoiberg household.

He is trying to spare his kids the school event till Monday last day. Expect him to accept when school is out and the realtor sign then goes up.

 

[Wesley]

What makes you say that Fred is not going to coach much longer?

He may be referring to aorta surgery and what his doctor told him. He may be retiring in five years if his health is questionable.

 

[LindenCy]

Why are you watching ESPN when Billy Madison is on TBS?

That is correct:

 

[Beyerball]

Besides no recruiting, double the pay, better players and a chance to win an NBA championship?

I give the Bulls chance next year at about 1% to win it all. ISU chances at winning it all will be higher. Bulls ain't getting past Cleveland or Atlanta for that matter.

 

[HoopsTournament]

This mite just be the Greatest Post of all time....................I loved the "no interest in non-ISU Fred".................

Thanks, but now I have nowhere to go but down.

 

[JHUNSY]

I don't really care about the NBA at all, and don't watch hardly any games, but I will actually be hoping the Bulls are horrible next year.

As a person I know that is a horrible thing to do.... I should want nothing but the best for Fred, but I just can't bring myself to that point. If the Bulls fail and Fred gets canned, he will still be set for life financially, so it's not like we will all need to feel sorry for him. He will be just fine.

I just like it when there are consequences realized to one's decisions. For example, if a baseball player uses steroids, I don't want them to succeed and not understand what a poor decision they made. I want their body to break down and for them not to succeed so that they realize the negative consequences of their poor decision.

I know Fred's decision is different in that he isn't cheating or doing anything illegal, but I do believe it is a horrible career move on his part, and it wouldn't hurt me one bit if he quickly discovers that and has to learn from it.

You don't mess with karma. And Fred had the perfect job and life in Ames, and now he's going to mess with that karma because he thinks the grass is greener in the NBA for some odd reason? I think most guys that have jumped to the NBA will tell you it's not all that it's cracked up to be. It will not hurt me in the least if Fred does not find success there. In fact, I will be a bit happier if he doesn't, and he realizes just how good he really had it in Ames.

 

[Die4Cy]

Johnny was under contract for one more year. No way that the fanbase would have allowed Johnny to be fired. Johnny had one more year if he wished because he had a contract........unless you think Gene Smith would have fired him. Are you saying that Orr was given an ultimatum of resign or be fired?

Johnny loved that team of guys, he had a lot of hard work in recruiting and developing them. If you ever visited with Johnny at an event he would tell you that. I think he wanted to finish his career with what he believed was a pretty good team (and it was) but he also knew that there was going to be a drop off after, and he went back and forth about that. I think, if he was bitter about anything, it was that he felt Smith didn't give Jim Hallihan a fair shot at replacing him, after he stepped aside to leave a pretty competitive team. But IIRC, the opposition to Hallihan came from top ISU donors.

 

[CYKOFAN]

I don't really care about the NBA at all, and don't watch hardly any games, but I will actually be hoping the Bulls are horrible next year.

As a person I know that is a horrible thing to do.... I should want nothing but the best for Fred, but I just can't bring myself to that point. If the Bulls fail and Fred gets canned, he will still be set for life financially, so it's not like we will all need to feel sorry for him. He will be just fine.

I just like it when there are consequences realized to one's decisions. For example, if a baseball player uses steroids, I don't want them to succeed and not understand what a poor decision they made. I want their body to break down and for them not to succeed so that they realize the negative consequences of their poor decision.

I know Fred's decision is different in that he isn't cheating or doing anything illegal, but I do believe it is a horrible career move on his part, and it wouldn't hurt me one bit if he quickly discovers that and has to learn from it.

You don't mess with karma. And Fred had the perfect job and life in Ames, and now he's going to mess with that karma because he thinks the grass is greener in the NBA for some odd reason? I think most guys that have jumped to the NBA will tell you it's not all that it's cracked up to be. It will not hurt me in the least if Fred does not find success there. In fact, I will be a bit happier if he doesn't, and he realizes just how good he really had it in Ames.

It's understandable to be upset about what's happening and I don't understand either why Fred would leave what appears to be the perfect situation for him and his family. But I wish Fred well in whatever he does. How couldn't I with everything he's done for ISU as a player and a coach? We don't know the whole story, maybe he's not all that happy with the administration, he's concerned with how much longer he'll be coaching, hates recruiting, or some other reason or reasons. All I know is I'm thankful for what Fred's done for ISU and I'll be hoping the best for he and his family wherever they're at in the future.

 

[CycloneVet]

He is likely sick of the dirty business that college basketball recruiting is, or at least it sure doesn't help.

 

[Gunnerclone]

He is likely sick of the dirty business that college basketball recruiting is, or at least it sure doesn't help.

If Fred weren't the top prospect for the NBA he would still be our coach for a long time. For all of the hand wringing and all of the cloak and dagger I do believe that Fred really wants to be an NBA coach rather than not wanting to be a college coach.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Johnny was under contract for one more year. No way that the fanbase would have allowed Johnny to be fired. Johnny had one more year if he wished because he had a contract........unless you think Gene Smith would have fired him. Are you saying that Orr was given an ultimatum of resign or be fired?

I love Johnny but as I remember it he wanted the a.d job, and made it real clear he wasn't happy when he didn't get it, including some quotes in the paper that I'm sure didn't sit too well with the administration. I think it's pretty believable that he was forced out but was allowed to make it look like it was his decision for the public. He was then given a p.r. job or something at a big salary for a short time. I love Johnny and he will always be an ISU icon, but the way he handled the a.d. change wasn't one of his better moments.

 

[Stormin]

Johnny loved that team of guys, he had a lot of hard work in recruiting and developing them. If you ever visited with Johnny at an event he would tell you that. I think he wanted to finish his career with what he believed was a pretty good team (and it was) but he also knew that there was going to be a drop off after, and he went back and forth about that. I think, if he was bitter about anything, it was that he felt Smith didn't give Jim Hallihan a fair shot at replacing him, after he stepped aside to leave a pretty competitive team. But IIRC, the opposition to Hallihan came from top ISU donors.

Agree. No argument with what you have said. But that guy said Johnny was "forced out". That means you will either resign or be fired. That does not mean continually suggesting that it would be better if you retired sooner rather than later. That does not mean we will give you a cushy job if you retire now. That is enticing you to make the decision to retire. "Forced out" means you have no choice in the matter.

 

[Wesley]

If Fred weren't the top prospect for the NBA he would still be our coach for a long time. For all of the hand wringing and all of the cloak and dagger I do believe that Fred really wants to be an NBA coach rather than not wanting to be a college coach.

Why climb Denali when you can climb Everest?

 

[CarlHungus]

Different things drive different people. Obviously coaching in the NBA drives Fred. It's kind of ****** we're being strung along like this, but that's more on Chicago than Fred, at least to this point

 

[Cyclonepride]

Agree. No argument with what you have said. But that guy said Johnny was "forced out". That means you will either resign or be fired. That does not mean continually suggesting that it would be better if you retired sooner rather than later. That does not mean we will give you a cushy job if you retire now. That is enticing you to make the decision to retire. "Forced out" means you have no choice in the matter.

I said pushed, not forced. Big difference.

 

[dxmonger]

Why climb Denali when you can climb Everest?

Uh, because Everest has earthquakes, is more dangerous, people get killed more often there.

Denali is in America - it's a climb for patriotic, red-blooded 'Mericans.

Just because you CAN climb Everest, doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Thanks for the analogy though.