List of potential replacements should Fred Hoiberg leave

[clone52]

otz will be here next year with whatever coach is hired becuause he is considered a good high major assistant and recruits the Midwest. I don't think there is any question that he will be here regardless.

As far as no precedent for an NBA coach going to college what does that matter? There a several coaches that go from college to NBA then back to college. If you can coach in the NBA you can coach in college. Now whether you can recruit is a different thing but you can have great assistants do that.

That is simply not a fact. Coaching in college and coaching in the NBA are two different animals. First, as you mention is recruiting. Second, in the NBA you are dealing with adults while in college you are dealing with kids. Not every NBA player is more mature than every college player, but on average, you are going to have more mature players to coach in the NBA than in college. In the NBA you don't have to make sure your players go to class, study and get good grades. In the NBA you are spending more time coaching in games and less time drilling your players in the basic skills they need to improve their basketball game.

Some coaches can succeed at both levels. There are a ton of examples of this.
Some coaches can succeed at the college level but not at the NBA level.
Some coaches can succeed at the NBA level, but not at the college level.

It is still a FACT that there are no college basketball coaches currently that have made the jump from the NBA to college without ANY prior college experience. It doesn't mean Hornacek can't succeed or that I wouldn't want him hired, but it has never happened.

 

[clone52]

Actually there was a pretty good article about Hornacek where he states that he is likely more suited to the college game. He sees teaching fundamentals as one of his greatest strengths. But with the one and done guys, teaching fundamentals is gaining importance in the NBA. Hornacek also made some comments about recruiting at the college level and being uncertain about that.

Bottom line is if JP considers Hornacek to be the guy for ISU. And also it would be likely that Otz must remain as an assistant. Which Hornacek might be agreeable to since Otz is a proven recruiter. I consider the possiblity of Hornacek as Coach to definitely be possible.

The fact that Hornacek thinks that is is biggest strength is not evidence. It might be true.

I'd be thrilled with Hornacek as head and Otz as assistant. My #1 choice if I could play god.

However, if its a choice of Hornacek as HC and Otz as HC and no Otz as an assistant, I think there are reasonable dabates for both options and neither one of them is a clear #1 choice in my mind.

 

[fsanford]

I did pass the word that Jeff would be called the Governor, should he take the job, (contact thought that was pretty funny) so you guys need to back me on this

 

[cyclonedave25]

Nope. I'm not saying TJ would be a better hire than Hornacek at all. I'm just saying there is not any objective evidence that supports Hornacek being a slam dunk better hire than TJ at all. There is no slam dunk evidence saying TJ would be a better hire the Hornacek either.

There is clear evidence of a potential bias in the favor of Hornacek when debating coaching prospects just because Hornacek is a Cyclone LEGEND.

Or because he is a current NBA coach.
If Hornacek was not an NBA head coach, his name would not be as popular as it is now.

 

[EatemupISU]

More Hornacek quotes, this time from a month ago (via Mike Hlas here). Add another voice to the choir saying "it's hard to imagine he would leave". He acknowledges the recruiting grind, but I really think he is drawn to the college environment too. If he has TJ as lead recruiter I think this job is very appealing to him.

“Recruiting could wear on you,” Hornacek said, “all the travel and talking to players, and trying to get them in your school. Then again, the atmosphere of college is a lot of fun. Fred’s had a lot of success (at Iowa State). It’s his hometown there, so it’s hard to imagine he would leave.”

The hardest part of coaching in the NBA, Hornacek said, is “you’ve got 15 guys on the team who were all-stars in college. They all feel like they can play. You try to win and develop young guys, but you’ve got veteran guys who think they’re better. It gets to be a tough mix when it comes to playing time.”

 

[cyclonedave25]

I did pass the word that Jeff would be called the Governor, should he take the job, (contact thought that was pretty funny) so you guys need to back me on this

Any updates from your contact on Hornacek's end?

 

[Stormin]

The fact that Hornacek thinks that is is biggest strength is not evidence. It might be true.

I'd be thrilled with Hornacek as head and Otz as assistant. My #1 choice if I could play god.

However, if its a choice of Hornacek as HC and Otz as HC and no Otz as an assistant, I think there are reasonable dabates for both options and neither one of them is a clear #1 choice in my mind.

Here is the story.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...cek-prefer-college-coaching-over-phoenix-suns

 

[TurbulentEddie]

My main concern for this particular hire is not longevity, it's keeping with the offensive coaching philosophy that the seniors and juniors on this team have already bought into so the talent that's already here, the tangible, is not wasted. From that standpoint, even if it's only a one year deal, Hornacek would be my ideal choice. I think Prohm, Otz, or Rice (if he's even an option) would be the next best options, Underwood next (though the pace with his team more came from defensive pressure). Anyone else know what coaches run pro-style pace-and-space offenses? (Please no Vaughn jokes.)

 

[CTTB78]

Call #1 needs to be Hornacek. He says no comment and then immediately starts to comment. If he wasn't interested at all, he'd leave it at no comment.

Keeping an NBA style and having a coach with NBA experience who was also an All-Star would at least keep the ISU fanbase excited and give us a good chance at maintaining momentum.

Could not agree more. I was very happy to read Jeff's standard response when it did not include the words "I have no interest in the ISU job". Also very surprised that we could not get any type of response like this from the local media. Has Jeff just refused to talk with them up to this point?
If Jeff is interested and JP thinks he needs to go another direction for whatever reason, it would be extremely disappointing.

 

[Gunnerclone]

My main concern for this particular hire is not longevity, it's keeping with the offensive coaching philosophy that the seniors and juniors on this team have already bought into so the talent that's already here, the tangible, is not wasted. From that standpoint, even if it's only a one year deal, Hornacek would be my ideal choice. I think Prohm, Otz, or Rice (if he's even an option) would be the next best options, Underwood next (though the pace with his team more came from defensive pressure). Anyone else know what coaches run pro-style pace-and-space offenses? (Please no Vaughn jokes.)

TJ. CW confirmed as much on the radio show yesterday. So for all of those people that keep saying "Well how do you know TJ will keep the same style as Fred?" there you go. Question answered.

 

[fsanford]

Any updates from your contact on Hornacek's end?

Not much...I have a business call with him this afternoon (see how I tie this to business). So will ask him for an update then. Though I don't think there will be a lot to add until Fred makes it official. Only then Jeff's agent can then look to start leveraging the ISU job and the wheels get set in motion. And don't take leveraging as a bad thing, it would force the issue one way or another (assuming of course ISU AD department does want Jeff)

 

[rholtgraves]

That is simply not a fact. Coaching in college and coaching in the NBA are two different animals. First, as you mention is recruiting. Second, in the NBA you are dealing with adults while in college you are dealing with kids. Not every NBA player is more mature than every college player, but on average, you are going to have more mature players to coach in the NBA than in college. In the NBA you don't have to make sure your players go to class, study and get good grades. In the NBA you are spending more time coaching in games and less time drilling your players in the basic skills they need to improve their basketball game.

Some coaches can succeed at both levels. There are a ton of examples of this.
Some coaches can succeed at the college level but not at the NBA level.
Some coaches can succeed at the NBA level, but not at the college level.

It is still a FACT that there are no college basketball coaches currently that have made the jump from the NBA to college without ANY prior college experience. It doesn't mean Hornacek can't succeed or that I wouldn't want him hired, but it has never happened.

So you think that someone who can coach at the highest level of basketball can't coach at lower level? That just doesn't make any sense.
You know why there isn't precedent? Because the NBA is the pinnacle of basketball and if you can coach in the NBA you don't usually take a step down.

 

[rholtgraves]

TJ. CW confirmed as much on the radio show yesterday. So for all of those people that keep saying "Well how do you know TJ will keep the same style as Fred?" there you go. Question answered.

What did CW say exactly?

 

[TurbulentEddie]

TJ. CW confirmed as much on the radio show yesterday. So for all of those people that keep saying "Well how do you know TJ will keep the same style as Fred?" there you go. Question answered.

Well then, consider Otz just behind Hornacek on my list.

 

[Amesboy]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...orking-in-anticipation-of-losing-fred-hoiberg

 

[Gunnerclone]

What did CW say exactly?

http://www.kxno.com/media/

 

[WastedTalent]

Stop beating your heads against the wall with names and lists.
The "list" is two names:
1. Hornacek
2. Otz
If Horn turns JP down, I don't see any way he hires a mid major coach. The risk between a mid major coach and TJ is essentially the same.

 

[CyRann22]

Stop beating your heads against the wall with names and lists.
The "list" is two names:
1. Hornacek
2. Otz
If Horn turns JP down, I don't see any way he hires a mid major coach. The risk between a mid major coach and TJ is essentially the same.

Yes, pretty simple. Surround TJ with some seasoned assistants, just like Hoiberg.

 

[clone52]

So you think that someone who can coach at the highest level of basketball can't coach at lower level? That just doesn't make any sense.
You know why there isn't precedent? Because the NBA is the pinnacle of basketball and if you can coach in the NBA you don't usually take a step down.

That is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis.

 

[aauummm]

I did pass the word that Jeff would be called the Governor, should he take the job, (contact thought that was pretty funny) so you guys need to back me on this

You've got it. If Hoiberg was the "Mayor", Hornacek would be the "Governor" as far as I'm concerned.