List of potential replacements should Fred Hoiberg leave

[clone52]

And there were no examples of what we did to hire Hoiberg either.

Hornacek is risky. EVERY hire is risky. I happen to think he is less risky than almost all of our other options.

Actually, there was precedence for Hoiberg. Houston hiring Clyde Drexler and it worked out horribly. One example is not enough to make a trend though.

I agree, every hire is risky. I even agree that hiring Hornacek would be fantastic. What I disagree that is it a slam dunk obvious choice that Hornacek is the far less risky candidate than TJ. Completely valid arguements can be made for both of them.

 

[Stormin]

for the last time..this is just ignorant thinking and uneducated. It's Fred frickin Hoiberg. The guy played in the NBA and was an All American Golden boy at ISU. He spent years learning the game from 4-5 Hall of fame coaches. He's completely cerebral and has a star quality. Every single person who has ever known Fred has said he will make a great coach one day and these are from former NBA players and coaches who are or will be in the hall of fame. TJ has neither. To compare the two is just insane. There are former NBA players who have zero experience coaching who start with an NBA team as HC. Hiring star players who are smart is totally different than hiring assistants with zero experience and little basketball playing time.

lastly, the is program 5 years ago was a complete mess and we couldn't have begged the Drake coach to come here. Today it's a top 15 program.

The program was a complete mess when Wayne Morgan was hired. That was the epitome of a mess.

McDermott was ahead of the posse when he took the Creighton job. And he knew it.

And perhaps your assessment that our program was "a complete mess" led to JP taking the immense risk of hiring an inexperienced Fred Hoiberg to be the Iowa State Men's Basketball Head Coach. Not much downside if he failed. And a pretty cheap hire to boot. Fred is an exceptional person. No doubt. Lots of people outside of Iowa were scratching their heads when he was hired though.

Fred Hoiberg was not considered to be a sure success when he was hired. There was a lot of risk. There were a lot of question marks. To Fred's credit that is why he hired a guy like Bobby Lutz to be his assistant and help him out.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5297571

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=5284581

 

[atlantacyclone]

Am I the only one who still thinks that The Mayor isn't going anywhere? I am watching from a distance but if he leaves before Niang's senior year it will make me question everything that I think and respect about him.

 

[cycloneworld]

Have you ever done risk management? Its partially based on past experience. You could probably do the math and find out that similar hires to TJ are successful 75% or 50% or 25% or 10% of the time. The fact is there is no past experience to determine how a hire similar to Hornacek has fared in the past. IT JUST DOESN'T happen.

By that standard, Greg Popovich would be riskier than TJ.

 

[cycloneworld]

Am I the only one who still thinks that The Mayor isn't going anywhere? I am watching from a distance but if he leaves before Niang's senior year it will make me question everything that I think and respect about him.

Yes. Yes you are.

 

[rholtgraves]

otz will be here next year with whatever coach is hired becuause he is considered a good high major assistant and recruits the Midwest. I don't think there is any question that he will be here regardless.

As far as no precedent for an NBA coach going to college what does that matter? There a several coaches that go from college to NBA then back to college. If you can coach in the NBA you can coach in college. Now whether you can recruit is a different thing but you can have great assistants do that.

 

[clone52]

Why does that matter? The guy can coach and is a good teacher. Obviously there is risk in every hire but I think Hornacek would be as close to a slam dunk as we could get. Keeping TJ on staff would help with the recruiting concerns.

Where is the evidence that Hornacek is a good teacher? Granted, I don't know what he was doing for 10 years between retirement and becoming an NBA assistant coach, but in the NBA, teaching basketball skills to players is not what an NBA coach does. Maybe Hornacek was a highly successful high school coach, but being a successful NBA coach tells me nothing about whether he can teach college players like they need to be taught.

 

[cyclonedave25]

Clone52, is your first name TJ by chance?

 

[rholtgraves]

I think Fred to Chicago will happen before the weekend is over. New coach at ISU by Thursday

 

[clone52]

By that standard, Greg Popovich would be riskier than TJ.

Nope, Popovich started out as an assistant at Air Force for 5 or 6 years then spent 8 years as a head coach at a Division 3 school. There would be a lot of old evidence for what Popovich could do at the college level.

 

[DesignerClone]

From what pool of candidates was McDermott chosen?

As I'm not Jamie (are you?), I will have to go off the top of my head. Not sure what good that does and who the hell knows what the actual "pool" was since we've already heard about JP's propensity for cheapness.


Steve Fisher
Kevin Stalling
Scott Sutton
Mark Few
Mike Brey
Bruiser Flint
Randy Bennett
Leonard Hamilton

Rob Jeter
Dave Rose
Larry Hunter
Chris Mooney
Mick Cronin
Andy Kennedy
Fran Dunphy
John Beilein
Bob Huggins
Dan Monson
Tommy Amaker
Gregg Marshall
Fred Hoiberg

 

[Gunnerclone]

Am I the only one who still thinks that The Mayor isn't going anywhere? I am watching from a distance but if he leaves before Niang's senior year it will make me question everything that I think and respect about him.

No, my grandma says he isn't going because those darn NBA guyz are just plain no-goodniks and Freddy is a nice boy.

 

[clone52]

Clone52, is your first name TJ by chance?

Nope. I'm not saying TJ would be a better hire than Hornacek at all. I'm just saying there is not any objective evidence that supports Hornacek being a slam dunk better hire than TJ at all. There is no slam dunk evidence saying TJ would be a better hire the Hornacek either.

There is clear evidence of a potential bias in the favor of Hornacek when debating coaching prospects just because Hornacek is a Cyclone LEGEND.

 

[abcguyks]

Yes. Yes you are.

No, he isn't.

 

[CycoCyclone]

My list

1. Red Auerbach
2. Greg Popovich
3. Larry Bird
4. Coack K
5. Phil Jackson
6. Bill Self

No John Wooden?

 

[cycloneworld]

No, he isn't.

Be prepared to be shocked then.

 

[Fitzy]

I can't believe people actually still think he's staying at ISU.

 

[DesignerClone]

Serious case of revisionist history. Or you don't know any other Cyclone fans.

Serious case that you and I have different friends.

 

[Stormin]

Where is the evidence that Hornacek is a good teacher? Granted, I don't know what he was doing for 10 years between retirement and becoming an NBA assistant coach, but in the NBA, teaching basketball skills to players is not what an NBA coach does. Maybe Hornacek was a highly successful high school coach, but being a successful NBA coach tells me nothing about whether he can teach college players like they need to be taught.

Actually there was a pretty good article about Hornacek where he states that he is likely more suited to the college game. He sees teaching fundamentals as one of his greatest strengths. But with the one and done guys, teaching fundamentals is gaining importance in the NBA. Hornacek also made some comments about recruiting at the college level and being uncertain about that.

Bottom line is if JP considers Hornacek to be the guy for ISU. And also it would be likely that Otz must remain as an assistant. Which Hornacek might be agreeable to since Otz is a proven recruiter. I consider the possiblity of Hornacek as Coach to definitely be possible.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Let me Mayor GTFO of Ames so we can move forward!