List of potential replacements should Fred Hoiberg leave

[fsanford]

Do you really think Suns will give him an extension? I am hearing more rumblings that they want him out and don't want to extend him.

Well that's another piece of the puzzle isn't. I know he is a bit unhappy with that fact, because he thought he has more than lived up to making that franchise competitive again.

Hopefully Pollard would put a deal like he gave to Fred on the table, and then we see what happens. A guaranteed say 2.7 million per year for 5 years, would help overcome dislike of recruiting.

Also he likes living in the region he is at, loved Utah, loves Arizona. But again security can make any place seem great.

But it sounds like from Chris and others, we are going to be more thrifty, so if that happens no shot.

 

[fsanford]

Agreed--we need stability. JP hired Fred knowing that'd he'd jump to the NBA eventually; as much as I like Fred, that's not building stability. A lot of people will claim that you can't build stability at a place like Iowa State, and maybe JP believes that as well. Personally, I think that's BS.

You hire guys with the hope they are going to be in high demand for other job openings. You don't hire guys with the hope they are average so nobody will try to take them away.

In the case of Fred, all roads were closed for him to leave except 1, and it was going to a perfect scenario for that to happen. Familiarity with the GM and staff. There really were 2 places, Bulls and Wolves. Bulls opened up first.

 

[EatemupISU]

I think there is a chance the Suns would say "great, take the ISU job. We'll go after Thibs." over giving him an extension. I don't doubt Hornacek WANTS to stay in Phoenix. But rumors are he's not getting renewed next year. And if he wants to keep a head coaching job, ISU may be the place for him. It's worth the discussion at the very least.

Another good article on Jeff Hornacek. How about this quote?

"My goal was never to be a coach in the NBA," Hornacek said in 2013. "I always felt I would coach, but I thought that would be on the college level. I felt that what I'd learned over the years would be too much for high school, but the pro guys... they already know everything, so why would I do that?"

 

[Stormin]

As of last night they Hornacek has not been approached by his agent or ISU about the job.

He is hoping they do, but again it is just about as much of leveraging ISU against the Suns as it is Hornacek coming to Ames. Not saying it won't happen because if the Suns don't lengthen the deal it might cause him to take the opportunity. But if given a choice he would stay with Phoenix.

A recruiting firm is handling things from what I have heard. I expect things to be closely held tight..........that is Pollard's way. No one knows for sure.

I expect Pollard to check out all options and weigh those options. IMO, Hornacek is a possibility......but there are many factors to consider. If Hornacek and ISU can not come to agreement, then I consider it very likely for Otz to get the job. IMO, the familiarity with players and Iowa State, along with having a lot of experience recruiting and a lot of assistant coaching experience at both Iowa State and Washington could lead to an offer for Otz. I really see less risk with Otz for the coming year than I do with some other names mentioned.

I do think that Hornacek is likely to stay with Phoenix because of ties to that area.

 

[Cyballzz]

This. If/when Hoiberg is gone and if/when Pollard replaces him with what Bob Barker would call "El Cheapo" and if/when the basketball program tanks because of it, I will officially be done with Pollard. While Pollard has done amazing things with the athletic facilities at ISU, especially on a limited budget, and what he's gotten us with that limited budget, part of the job of an AD is getting coaching right and Pollard has a BAAAAAAAAAAD track record with that.

No ISU athletic program in its history has the momentum that ISU Basketball has right now. Essentially, this will be Pollard's defining moment as ISU's AD - what he does when Hoiberg leaves. Get this wrong and the basketball team tanks because of it, especially if he goes cheap, and most of us won't forgive him for it.

People keep saying this... people keep ignoring 2016-2017 and beyond.

 

[Stormin]

This. If/when Hoiberg is gone and if/when Pollard replaces him with what Bob Barker would call "El Cheapo" and if/when the basketball program tanks because of it, I will officially be done with Pollard. While Pollard has done amazing things with the athletic facilities at ISU, especially on a limited budget, and what he's gotten us with that limited budget, part of the job of an AD is getting coaching right and Pollard has a BAAAAAAAAAAD track record with that.

No ISU athletic program in its history has the momentum that ISU Basketball has right now. Essentially, this will be Pollard's defining moment as ISU's AD - what he does when Hoiberg leaves. Get this wrong and the basketball team tanks because of it, especially if he goes cheap, and most of us won't forgive him for it.

So what happens if Otz is given the job, ISU goes to the Final Four and Otz becomes the next Tom Izzo?

What do you say then?

 

[rholtgraves]

If Pollard chooses to go cheap he is an idiot. Look around the league. 2 million and over for a coach is going to be the norm. If whoever they get succeeds in the first year on a low contract they are going to ask for more money.

 

[rholtgraves]

So what happens if Otz is given the job, ISU goes to the Final Four and Otz becomes the next Tom Izzo?

What do you say then?

Stupid response is stupid

 

[mjhavlo76]

Interesting article. Had not read this before. Great post!

Another good article on Jeff Hornacek. How about this quote?

"My goal was never to be a coach in the NBA," Hornacek said in 2013. "I always felt I would coach, but I thought that would be on the college level. I felt that what I'd learned over the years would be too much for high school, but the pro guys... they already know everything, so why would I do that?"

 

[CloniesForLife]

So what happens if Otz is given the job, ISU goes to the Final Four and Otz becomes the next Tom Izzo?

What do you say then?

I'm sure if Otz became the next Tom Izzo he'd gladly eat crow. But there aren't a lot of Tom Izzos out there. In fact, there is just one.

 

[cycloneworld]

So what happens if Otz is given the job, ISU goes to the Final Four and Otz becomes the next Tom Izzo?

What do you say then?

What do you say if Otz is the next Wayne Morgan and we revert back to being bad again?

 

[AlaCyclone]

Fran Fraschilla, ESPN analyst (I’ve heard that he wants to get back into coaching but don’t think he is the type of candidate that Iowa State would be interested in)

Fran Understands and most importantly BELIEVES in the Magic!

 

[bawbie]

People keep saying this... people keep ignoring 2016-2017 and beyond.

Because momentum is a present thing. projecting momentum 2+ years in the future is foolish.

Recruiting for 2017 and beyond for a new staff will be made easier, in large part, but the potential success of the 2015-2016 season. So yes, the ISU MBB program has a ton of momentum. And anyone writing off the 2016-2017 season before you know who the coaching staff or half the players are is completely foolish.

 

[cycloneworld]

If Pollard chooses to go cheap he is an idiot. Look around the league. 2 million and over for a coach is going to be the norm. If whoever they get succeeds in the first year on a low contract they are going to ask for more money.

Agreed. If we go cheap and fail, the demise of the ISU basketball resurgence if squarely on Pollard's shoulder. Conversely if he makes another great hire, I'll give him all the credit in the world for building the program to unprecedented heights. Tough spot for JP but that's why he's in charge.

 

[Stormin]

If Pollard chooses to go cheap he is an idiot. Look around the league. 2 million and over for a coach is going to be the norm. If whoever they get succeeds in the first year on a low contract they are going to ask for more money.

Pollard is going to get the best coach for Iowa State IMO. Of the choices listed, Hornacek is the only one that will given pretty big money......same as Hoiberg.....IMO. Which is around $2.5 million plus......it has longevity, which is a big factor as well.

As far as the other choices, I don't see how being the coach at Murray State or Boise State makes that candidate a no-brainer to be hired at Iowa State as the Head Coach. And with the team we have coming back for next and the golden opportunity that presents, an AD would be wise to use that as leverage in getting the next head coach. Simply opening the checkbook does not guarantee success. Look at Licklighter and Iowa, if you need a reminder.

Interesting article here. Butler hired Licklighter's replacement who was an assistant coach at Butler at the time he left. A guy named Brad Stephens.

http://archive.hawkcentral.com/2014/01/15/todd-lickliter-says-he-regrets-leaving-butler-for-iowa/

 

[Stormin]

What do you say if Otz is the next Wayne Morgan and we revert back to being bad again?

NIT semifinals and NCAA bid in three years.......versus what under McDermott?

We take McDermott from UNI.....who then hires the Assistant Coach Ben Jacobson......who got the better end of that deal?

 

[CyArob]

What do you say if Otz is the next Wayne Morgan and we revert back to being bad again?

Just as long as Otz isn't the next GMAC.

 

[Spam]

Just seems like more fans would have been receptive to the idea of having Otz as HC if he was still an assistant at Washington.

(Or if he had never gone to Washington)

 

[cycloneworld]

NIT semifinals and NCAA bid in three years.......versus what under McDermott?

We take McDermott from UNI.....who then hires the Assistant Coach Ben Jacobson......who got the better end of that deal?

What are you arguing here? That Morgan was better than McDermott? Well no ****. That's not even debateable. But what the hell does that have to do with Otz's transition from Fred?

Are you arguing Otz's successor will be worse than him? If so, holy forward thinking!

 

[AlaCyclone]

You have to get a big name or have a guy with NBA connections to get talent. Knock it off with the mid-majors bafoons. If Fred walks you gotta go big because that is the how big the void would be without Fred. The name needs to be associated with Winning! Bust out huge bonuses for championships etc. It has to be 100% about the W

Yep! Not interested in any of the MidMajor names either. Alabama went out and got Avery Johnson! ISU needs to think like that.