Cincinnati and Memphis to the Big 12?
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Pitt and Louisville would have jumped, Louisville basically stating it publicly, had we asked them the same time as WVU/TCU. If we end up adding Cincy/Memphis instead right now...it'll be a massive fail compared to what could have been.
I'm hoping today's rumors are BS as usual and we stay at 10 unless we merge with some 14 team conference because the huge conference model w/ tv network has proven itself.
KidSilverhair
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People are freaking out for absolutely no reason. As mentioned above, at this moment the Big XII has a better chance of getting two teams in the playoff than it does getting zero in. If there was a championship game, there would be zero chance of getting two in - and since the championship would be something like Baylor vs K State (and not TCU, since they'd likely be in Baylor's division), a simple loss by Baylor would mean zero teams in.
The Big XII has made it clear they would only expand if it made financial sense. I don't see how Cincy and Memphis would make the conference better off financially.
Those of you begging for a championship game - don't you remember the Big XII's reputation for destroying BCS chances with upsets in its conference championship games? It seemed to happen a lot. The Big XII was the poster child for the bad things a conference championship game could do. You want that back?
TCU is number 3 this week. The playoff committee has told the Big XII they would consider both TCU and Baylor as co-champs this year. If TCU beats Iowa State, there is zero chance - zero - that Ohio State leapfrogs them. Not happening.
I mentioned in another thread the idea to eliminate conference championship games and expand the playoff to eight. I would love to see this. In a playoff-committee world, conference championship games have lost almost all their purpose, except to ruin the chances of a playoff contender. Get rid of the artificial division requirements and schedule in a sane way so you actually play all of your conference members more than once every six or eight years.
This mega conference talk gets me all worked up, too. A 16-team or larger conference (heck, even a 14-team league) isn't a conference at all - it's two separate conferences with a loose game-sharing agreement. If there's one specific conference opponent that you never see play at your stadium all through your undergrad, and not even until your fifth-year class reunion, are they really in your conference at all? What the heck does the word mean in that case?f
The Big XII has made it clear they would only expand if it made financial sense. I don't see how Cincy and Memphis would make the conference better off financially.
Those of you begging for a championship game - don't you remember the Big XII's reputation for destroying BCS chances with upsets in its conference championship games? It seemed to happen a lot. The Big XII was the poster child for the bad things a conference championship game could do. You want that back?
TCU is number 3 this week. The playoff committee has told the Big XII they would consider both TCU and Baylor as co-champs this year. If TCU beats Iowa State, there is zero chance - zero - that Ohio State leapfrogs them. Not happening.
I mentioned in another thread the idea to eliminate conference championship games and expand the playoff to eight. I would love to see this. In a playoff-committee world, conference championship games have lost almost all their purpose, except to ruin the chances of a playoff contender. Get rid of the artificial division requirements and schedule in a sane way so you actually play all of your conference members more than once every six or eight years.
This mega conference talk gets me all worked up, too. A 16-team or larger conference (heck, even a 14-team league) isn't a conference at all - it's two separate conferences with a loose game-sharing agreement. If there's one specific conference opponent that you never see play at your stadium all through your undergrad, and not even until your fifth-year class reunion, are they really in your conference at all? What the heck does the word mean in that case?f
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I don't like mega-conf talk either, but if 14 and 15 team groups along with big sweeping footprints start showing advantages it needs to be looked at.
I'd rather be in a 6, 8, 10 or 12 team pod in some gigantic conference than be UConn in the AAC. A 10 team B12N with our current 10 just isn't going to compete with BTN and SECN. It's all hypothetical but if Big Ten and SEC greed mongers start poking around again I hope the Big 12 and ACC just completely merge and ram it up their rear end with the most profitable college network and best footprint/brand combo.
Minnesota and Wisconsin fans this year don't care that their division is only slightly better than MAC football this year or that they will often skip marquee teams or have to fly to obscure opponents they aren't use to like Rutgers. They see their team had a crazy easy path to a title game and potential conference title, along with a gigantic TV check.
Rutgers doesn't move the arrow at all, not in their own city, not anywhere. But it'll be interesting to see how it works for them.
Kansas fans are gonna be ****** if they get kicked out for Oklaoma's second string.
It drives me absolutely insane when I hear these national pundits rip the Big 12 for not having a championship game and talking about how it will cost them. That is complete BS.
The Big 12 is a very good football conference. And everyone has to play everyone else. How can you even call the SEC or the B1G championship game winners their true champion when they still haven't even had to play everyone in their conference?
Missouri and Wisky aren't even the top 2 teams in their conferences IMO. Missouri definitely isn't. And in the B1G I would argue that it's OSU and MSU, not Wisky.
I hope the Big 12 doesn't expand unless they get some really good teams, and Cincy and Memphis are not that. Going from the potential of adding Louisville and Pitt, and ending up with Cincy and Memphis is a joke. It screams of desperation.
If anything, add Central Florida and South Florida if you are going to add teams as bad as Cincy and Memphis. Getting into Florida would be HUGE.
The Big 12 is a very good football conference. And everyone has to play everyone else. How can you even call the SEC or the B1G championship game winners their true champion when they still haven't even had to play everyone in their conference?
Missouri and Wisky aren't even the top 2 teams in their conferences IMO. Missouri definitely isn't. And in the B1G I would argue that it's OSU and MSU, not Wisky.
I hope the Big 12 doesn't expand unless they get some really good teams, and Cincy and Memphis are not that. Going from the potential of adding Louisville and Pitt, and ending up with Cincy and Memphis is a joke. It screams of desperation.
If anything, add Central Florida and South Florida if you are going to add teams as bad as Cincy and Memphis. Getting into Florida would be HUGE.
National pundits the first 4 weeks of this season:
10-1 team with 66 SOS cannot make the playoff no matter what (even if it went undefeated), schedule too easy
10-2 team with 58 SOS is a LOCK for the playoff (if it finishes with 1 loss) because it lost a game to a good team non-conf by 19
zero jimlad, that was the exact position of the media early in the year. That's what we're dealing with in terms of how in the tank the media is for certain teams and conferences.
It also may mean you need an undefeated B12 team to ever get in the playoffs. Seems the 10 voters are more like a grand jury.
what I would do
8 conferences of 10 teams each
perfectly balanced, only schools really capable of fielding big-time teams
Division IV
Big East
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Boston College
Maryland
Notre Dame
Pitt
Penn St.
Rutgers
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
WVU
Big Ten
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Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Northwestern
Ohio St.
Purdue
Wisconsin
Big 8
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Colorado
Colorado State
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Louisville
Missouri
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
ACC
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Central Florida
Clemson
Duke
Florida St.
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
NC St.
South Carolina
Wake Forest
SEC
---
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU
Mississippi
Miss St.
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
SWAC
---
Arkansas
Baylor
Houston
New Mexico
Rice
SMU
TCU
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Mountain West
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Boise State
BYU
Fresno State
Nevada
San Diego St.
San Jose St.
UNLV
Utah
Utah St.
Wyoming
Pac 10
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Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Southern California
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Washington
Washington St.
9 game full round-robin in each conference
8 champions seeded for a playoff
first two rounds on-campus, championship neutral site
no "out of division" games allowed
3 out of conference games a year for regional rivalries and matchups
i.e. Virginia Tech v. Ohio State, Iowa State v. Iowa
This year, something like...
(1) Alabama
(8) West Virginia
Tuscaloosa, AL
(4) TCU
(5) Ohio St.
Ft. Worth, TX
(3) Oregon
(6) Kansas St.
Eugene, OR
(2) Florida St.
(7) Boise St.
Tallahassee, FL
no controversy--win your conference or don't come crying
seeding/out of conference strength becomes paramount
(#1/#2 have MUCH easier first games than does Oregon and TCU)
may the best team win
bowls can stick around as meaningless exhibitions/vacations if they want
It still blows my mind that when the Big 12 had a conference championship, we were constantly blasted for it. Now, that we don't have one, everyone plays everyone (what better way to decide a champion? Yes, Baylor should be the champ because they beat TCU head to head) Now, all of a sudden we are the ones doing it wrong? As I've said many times, until this thing goes to at least 8 teams, it's not even worth worrying about, if the media has their way, it's still the BCS.
how about Cinn and ND? Ya, ND would never go for it. I would have no problem with adding a couple schools that were not great at FB, but the Big10 has most of those already. There are a lot of TX schools that might be okay to add. Rice, SMU, Houston. Not a huge fan of Cincinnati or Memphis but they do belong to a different market anyway, plus as a Clone fan, I would like to see them add someone that might be beatable in FB.
That's why we should be innovative, merge with the ACC, and be the first conference with a semifinal round and a championship
I'm only half joking... Maybe 60% joking. The basketball alone would be worth it and the football money would be unreal.
This a BS rumor on several counts.
With the current CFP format, the B12 is better off without the CCG the vast majority of time.
The B12 isn't going to add two flippin commuter schools that will reduce the TV revenue shares of existing schools.
