It's not a talent issue.

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It is a talent issue, and your post kind of shows that. If you think it is ok that the ISU talent is only "just as good" or "match up well" with a FCS school, that is a HUGE PROBLEM.

No, my post doesn't show that it's a talent issue. I compare to NDSU because that's who we just played. And more than anything it points to how these FCS level athletes, who didn't receive D1 opportunities, but are well coached and well prepared, can indeed compete. NDSU doesn't have better talent than we do, they just maximize what they do have, whereas we don't.
 

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It is certainly a talent issue.

Ill compose a list of players that have no buisness playing in the big 12. Not saying its these guys fault, I love the team but I'll call a FCS player an FCS player.

Mitchell Meyers
Devlyn Cousins
Ferch
Meeks
Miller
Sam E Richardson
Kamari Moya

Right now in their careers these guys should not be on the field. Expecting a defense to hold teams under 30 with 7 of 11 players that wouldn't play a down at any other big 12 school is silly.

Dude, don't be calling out players like that because it isn't fair. First, how in the hell do you know who should/shouldn't play in B12? You don't. Second, some of those guys are pretty young. Give them some time.
 

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Dude, don't be calling out players like that because it isn't fair. First, how in the hell do you know who should/shouldn't play in B12? You don't. Second, some of those guys are pretty young. Give them some time.

Fully agree. Meeks has played 1 game and Moya has played one series.
 

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It is certainly a talent issue.

Ill compose a list of players that have no buisness playing in the big 12. Not saying its these guys fault, I love the team but I'll call a FCS player an FCS player.

Mitchell Meyers
Devlyn Cousins
Ferch
Meeks
Miller
Sam E Richardson
Kamari Moya

Right now in their careers these guys should not be on the field. Expecting a defense to hold teams under 30 with 7 of 11 players that wouldn't play a down at any other big 12 school is silly.

Yeah, cuz you're a better talent evaluator than all of these coaches with years and years worth of experience. What a stupid *** post calling these kids out like that. You're just butt hurt and to ease your fragile psyche you spew your ignorance out of that roughed up sphincter of yours.
 

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No, my post doesn't show that it's a talent issue. I compare to NDSU because that's who we just played. And more than anything it points to how these FCS level athletes, who didn't receive D1 opportunities, but are well coached and well prepared, can indeed compete. NDSU doesn't have better talent than we do, they just maximize what they do have, whereas we don't.


All I know is that Wally didn't stop being a Wizard, and that Rhoads didn't forget how to coach. When he had talent at ISU in Chizik's players, the team showed it. The reason ISU won 3 games last year, and will win about the same this year is because the team has less talent now than it did early in Rhoads tenure here. ISU didn't lose to NDSU in 2009 or a UNI team in 2010, because ISU was more talented. ISU lost to UNI in 2013 and NDSU in 2014, because they were not more talented.
 

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All I know is that Wally didn't stop being a Wizard, and that Rhoads didn't forget how to coach. When he had talent at ISU in Chizik's players, the team showed it. The reason ISU won 3 games last year, and will win about the same this year is because the team has less talent now than it did early in Rhoads tenure here. ISU didn't lose to NDSU in 2009 or a UNI team in 2010, because ISU was more talented. ISU lost to UNI in 2013 and NDSU in 2014, because they were not more talented.

Okay, I'm hearing what you're saying. Not that NDSU should at all be a measuring stick, but by your reasoning it would appear that you think the Bison have more individual talent than ISU. Am I correct? If so I just don't buy it, man. Better game plan, better prepared, more heart, and a much more cohesive unit I buy, but not more talent. Perhaps I'm blind tho because a lot of posters appear to agree with you.
 

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All I know is that Wally didn't stop being a Wizard, and that Rhoads didn't forget how to coach. When he had talent at ISU in Chizik's players, the team showed it. The reason ISU won 3 games last year, and will win about the same this year is because the team has less talent now than it did early in Rhoads tenure here. ISU didn't lose to NDSU in 2009 or a UNI team in 2010, because ISU was more talented. ISU lost to UNI in 2013 and NDSU in 2014, because they were not more talented.

Was Wally ever a wizard?
 

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It is certainly a talent issue.

Ill compose a list of players that have no buisness playing in the big 12. Not saying its these guys fault, I love the team but I'll call a FCS player an FCS player.

Mitchell Meyers
Devlyn Cousins
Ferch
Meeks
Miller
Sam E Richardson
Kamari Moya

Right now in their careers these guys should not be on the field. Expecting a defense to hold teams under 30 with 7 of 11 players that wouldn't play a down at any other big 12 school is silly.

I like Meyers and Cousins, they showed potential last year, but they sucked yesterday.
 

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Ndsu has more talent and are deeper than us.

No they don't, that's just a stupid thing to say. There is not a single player that NDSU has that wouldn't kill for an ISU offer. Conversely, nearly any player on our roster would be a starter at NDSU. Those are facts. You can argue talent as a problem vs Oklahoma. Not against NDSU or UNI.

The issue is with motivation and execution pure and simple.
 

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NDSU has lived immensely off Wisconsin & Minnesota Gophers overlooking hard working tough guy kids in the upper Midwest. And to some extent Iowa St / Iowa / Nebraska. Yea the kid doesn't run a 4.4 or has 5 FBS offers. So dam what. If that kid can tackle and wrap...he can play on ndsu's defense. If that lineman is 6 4 280 in HS but has a mean streak and wants to kick the guys *** in front of him...ndsu will take him get him to 300 lbs and dominate.
 

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NDSU has lived immensely off Wisconsin & Minnesota Gophers overlooking hard working tough guy kids in the upper Midwest. And to some extent Iowa St / Iowa / Nebraska. Yea the kid doesn't run a 4.4 or has 5 FBS offers. So dam what. If that kid can tackle and wrap...he can play on ndsu's defense. If that lineman is 6 4 280 in HS but has a mean streak and wants to kick the guys *** in front of him...ndsu will take him get him to 300 lbs and dominate.

I actually agree with you. That's what I mean about NDSU maximizing the talent they bring in. They play team ball and every kid on the field appears to buy into the system. Nobody wowed me individually really, but as a unit I was extremely impressed. It reminded me of old school, hard nosed football where fundamentals trump flash.
 
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I question how the coaching staff has evaluated talent. Two K-State quarterbacks (Waters and Ertz) are both from Iowa and both would have come if they were offered. I feel like our coaching staff thinks the QB position has to come from Cali, FL, or Texas.
 

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Um....it's absolutely a talent issue.

ISU would be about .500, maybe a tad better in the MVC. IF they got some breaks.

That's a talent issue. I actually laughed when I saw the score yesterday.

It's coaching too, but there's a big gap in their talent.

This thing with Lazzard should be funny. He'll either stick with ISU to be on 4 bad teams with at least one coaching change, or transfer out to a successful program where he can get some pub.
 

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I'll call out whoever the hell I want to call out. If you think any of those guys are big 12 ready right now then your either blind or not opening your eyes. Kamari played 4 plays... I dont give a ****. He might be great when he's a senior but the fact that we have to roll out a red shirt freshman to play safety is embarrassing. He's not Bob Sanders.
 

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NDSU has lived immensely off Wisconsin & Minnesota Gophers overlooking hard working tough guy kids in the upper Midwest. And to some extent Iowa St / Iowa / Nebraska. Yea the kid doesn't run a 4.4 or has 5 FBS offers. So dam what. If that kid can tackle and wrap...he can play on ndsu's defense. If that lineman is 6 4 280 in HS but has a mean streak and wants to kick the guys *** in front of him...ndsu will take him get him to 300 lbs and dominate.
I've never understood why ISU doesn't do this. IIRC, this is what Bruce did and had quite a bit of success.