Dish Network won't air CFB on FS1 incl. NDSU game

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I didn't see ESPN News or ESPN U on your list. I'm pretty sure ISU will have a football game on the U this season and several basketball games. Does Dish not have ESPN U? What about the golf channel? I watch a lot of golf!



Yeah...sorry. I have all those too. and the golf channel etc...I was just going off the top my head...lol
 

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How is FS1 going to stay alive if they don't get their biggest shows on TV? Dish needs to hold their ground on this. The costs of Cable are getting too high largely in part that networks want so much to buy their programs.
 

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I didn't see ESPN News or ESPN U on your list. I'm pretty sure ISU will have a football game on the U this season and several basketball games. Does Dish not have ESPN U? What about the golf channel? I watch a lot of golf!

Unless something is new, I don't think that the Big 12 is ever on ESPNU.

FOX, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and FSN (maybe not FSN anymore?) are the channels for the Big 12 I think, along with each school's own third-tier network like Longhorn Network and Cyclones.tv.

I think that ESPNU has the same type of rights for the Big Ten that we sold to FS1/FSN. Again I am just kind of guessing so I could be wrong.
 

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Doubt any football games will be on the U.

Unless something is new, I don't think that the Big 12 is ever on ESPNU.

FOX, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and FSN (maybe not FSN anymore?) are the channels for the Big 12 I think, along with each school's own third-tier network like Longhorn Network and Cyclones.tv.

I think that ESPNU has the same type of rights for the Big Ten that we sold to FS1/FSN. Again I am just kind of guessing so I could be wrong.

The Baylor game last year was on the U. It's part of the Big 12 television contract.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205680799

ABC/ESPN: 19 games per year thru 2015, increasing to 23 games annually in 2016 (minimum 13-15 full national exposures via ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU or in combination with reverse mirror); maximum four-five games on ESPNU.
 
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So I cut the cord 7 years ago. And this fall I want either DTV or Dish. Is this situation a good enough reason to choose DTV over dish for a new customer?

No. In the past decade, I would guess (just off the top of my head) that DTV and Dish are about 50/50 in various network disputes, from FS1 to local ABC5.

It'll be at least a decade before better programming options exist.

Dish hardware is better generally that DTV. DTV sports packages tend to be better -- but mostly only if you're hardcore. Dish tends to be cheaper for comparable programming.

Disclaimer -- nothing can truly be devolved to such simple general tendencies.

Disclaimer 2 -- I've never had DTV. I've had Dish for about 15 years.
 

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The Baylor game last year was on the U. It's part of the Big 12 television contract.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205680799

ABC/ESPN: 19 games per year thru 2015, increasing to 23 games annually in 2016 (minimum 13-15 full national exposures via ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU or in combination with reverse mirror); maximum four-five games on ESPNU.

Thanks for the facts; I forgot about the Baylor game, but didn't we all at least try to do so?
 

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How is FS1 going to stay alive if they don't get their biggest shows on TV? Dish needs to hold their ground on this. The costs of Cable are getting too high largely in part that networks want so much to buy their programs.

You realize your school isn't just waving a magic wand to get this TV money right? The network is forking it over, and where do you think they get their funds? How do people not understand this? This is not the US government, they cannot just print the money.

You love the fact that ISU is getting all this TV revenue? Guess what, you need to be prepared to pay.
 

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My comment wasn't about Mediacom so much as it was a chance to call out the Dish apologists who for the life of them, can never remember missing out on a game despite the evidence littering the forums every season. That's fine if they are doing it to themselves, but it is less-than-helpful when someone is asking for options, yet people trying to justify their own past decisions, want to downplay that this is a real consideration. (Or should I say, it is a real consideration for those who see the value in having as many eyeballs watching ISU as possible.)
Uhhh, could pretty much post the exact same while replacing "Dish" with "DTV". Probably even more for Hawk fans.
 

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You realize your school isn't just waving a magic wand to get this TV money right? The network is forking it over, and where do you think they get their funds? How do people not understand this? This is not the US government, they cannot just print the money.

You love the fact that ISU is getting all this TV revenue? Guess what, you need to be prepared to pay.

I understand the economics of it. It just gets old when the networks think cannot live without their product and think they need to charge more and more and more. If they cannot find ways of making the money they agreed to work, well maybe they over paid.
 

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wonder when we'll finally have the option to buy the channels we cant from any provider? it'll be passed into law sooner rather than later.

sorry - you want ESPN.com? going to have to use comcast internet for that webpage.
 

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You love the fact that ISU is getting all this TV revenue? Guess what, you need to be prepared to pay.

Correct. And unfortunately, the way the content providers come up with all this cash to pay the schools is by running their consumer-unfriendly (and in some cases consumer-hostile) oligopoly. The content providers charge high fees for their flagship channels so they can subsidize the garbage channels that few really want. Then, they bundle everything together, so that if one distributor refuses, it loses business to the other distributors who succumb.

I can see only two things that will change this: 1) The government stepping in and forcing an ala carte model, or 2) a massive "cable cut" by cable and dish customers that forces the content providers into a more consumer-friendly model. Neither of those appear likely anytime soon.

Cable/satellite TV is a wonderful racket to be in. Is there another service industry where the user discards 99% of the product they purchase?
 
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Correct. And unfortunately, the way the content providers come up with all this cash to pay the schools is by running their consumer-unfriendly (and in some cases consumer-hostile) oligopoly. The content providers charge high fees for their flagship channels so they can subsidize the garbage channels that few really want. Then, they bundle everything together, so that if if one distributor refuses, it loses business to the other distributors who succumb.

I can see only two things that will change this: 1) The government stepping in and forcing an ala carte model, or 2) a massive "cable cut" by cable and dish customers that forces the content providers into a more consumer-friendly model. Neither of those appear likely anytime soon.

Cable/satellite TV is a wonderful racket to be in. Is there another service industry where the user discards 99% of the product they purchase?

It's like the opposite of the drug game. I really feel like I'm funding terrorism more by watching cable TV than by buying drugs.
 

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Fox Sports 1 on Dish will not air the ISU/NDSU game saturday

Yep, Fox wants more money from Dish to broadcast the game, Dish says no (I for one agree), so it will now be blacked out. Fox needs to make such decisions sooner than five days before game time, when it has been on the schedule for several weeks. Fox appeals to the fans thirst for watching sports so gouge them deep and take all the money we are willing to give them. Hope ISU gets on ESPN as part of a Big 12 network deal. Yes, I am crying in my beer, but do not like the way Fox is ever wanting more money to broadcast. Dish is at least to their credit trying to resist higher customer costs.

Cyclone internet radio for Dish users this Saturday!!
 

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My comment wasn't about Mediacom so much as it was a chance to call out the Dish apologists who for the life of them, can never remember missing out on a game despite the evidence littering the forums every season. That's fine if they are doing it to themselves, but it is less-than-helpful when someone is asking for options, yet people trying to justify their own past decisions, want to downplay that this is a real consideration. (Or should I say, it is a real consideration for those who see the value in having as many eyeballs watching ISU as possible.)

I have Dish for reasons other than sports. Sports don't rule my life.
 

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Re: Fox Sports 1 on Dish will not air the ISU/NDSU game saturday

A) there's already a thread on this, not to mention the posts about it you've littered everywhere

2) you don't have to stay home to watch EVERY game
 

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And what is your limit before you could not pay the cost, or do you have unlimited funds. There is a reason why you pay more for Direct TV and get usually less for it. Some people would be taken to the cleaners before they wise up. I suppose Fox needs the extra money and so many are willing to bend to their demands.
 

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Correct. And unfortunately, the way the content providers come up with all this cash to pay the schools is by running their consumer-unfriendly (and in some cases consumer-hostile) oligopoly. The content providers charge high fees for their flagship channels so they can subsidize the garbage channels that few really want. Then, they bundle everything together, so that if if one distributor refuses, it loses business to the other distributors who succumb.

I can see only two things that will change this: 1) The government stepping in and forcing an ala carte model, or 2) a massive "cable cut" by cable and dish customers that forces the content providers into a more consumer-friendly model. Neither of those appear likely anytime soon.

Cable/satellite TV is a wonderful racket to be in. Is there another service industry where the user discards 99% of the product they purchase?

How would ala carte help? No we basically pay for the networks we watch and get the others for free. If we get Ala Carte they will just jack the price up on the main networks and throw in the others.


In reality they could do away with at least 25% of the channels on cable. How many networks do they need to show Will and Grace, SVU, CSI and Spin City reruns? How many times do they need to rerun Pawn Stars and Pickers. Right now is seems every network has its one or two shows that people watch and the rest is trash or reruns over and over and over again. Seems like in inefficient system and waste of money.
 

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And what is your limit before you could not pay the cost, or do you have unlimited funds. There is a reason why you pay more for Direct TV and get usually less for it. Some people would be taken to the cleaners before they wise up. I suppose Fox needs the extra money and so many are willing to bend to their demands.

The tipping point is getting close. If you don't care about sports why have cable? With streaming, Netflix, Hulu and others you can about get the shows you want to watch anyway. If you cannot get them wait 6 months and get them on Bluray.
 

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So I was thinking, this must have been written into the original contract, wouldn't it? It's not like Fox could just change the rules one year into the contract. So was this Fox's plan all along? Just sign them up to get the channel on then raise the price, not through a new contract but just an extra fee tacked on. It's not like a sports channel is worth much without actual live sports on.