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How many times does this have to be stated before it will sink in?
he said presumption of guilt. You should also be presumed innocent in a CoC hearing. The duty of proof is still not on Bubu and the default position should be prove to me he is guilty. That has not happened at any level that I can see and every judge that has viewed evidence agrees so the point that raises the question as to why Cfers presume him guilty is a valid one. Why do you?
 

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Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Bubu's dismissal left plenty of time to figure out a transfer. He and his attorney didnt request one, although ISU and Pollard clearly were okay with one had he applied.
Plenty of time? After classes had started and most places would have filled all their spots? And just on the hope that the ncaa would grant a waiver? ISU might support me trying for a powerball win too, but that doesnt mean that either is going to happen.
 

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Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Plenty of time? After classes had started and most places would have filled all their spots? And just on the hope that the ncaa would grant a waiver? ISU might support me trying for a powerball win too, but that doesnt mean that either is going to happen.

The argument has been that Leath intentionally waited 5 extra days in order to prevent Bubu from transferring. If the statement is correct, that argument is moot. The same number of spots would be open on Aug 30th as Aug 25th.
 

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Finally got through every post in this thread...

I have some questions that I think get to the heart of it...

1. Who was the accuser who appealed to Leath during the summer? Was it the alleged victim or maybe a donor?

2. Why did it take Leath so long to render a decision?

After reading through all of this, it is my humble opinion that somebody who Iowa State values has a problem with Bubu playing basketball at Iowa State. Maybe a big donor? The only reason i can fathom Leath sitting on his decision until Bubu can't transfer is that somebody told him to or they won't donate anymore. That is it... in my mind anyway.

That is the crux of the issue... who was the person that appealed to Leath to get Bubu booted a second time? Obviously Leath wasn't going to do it without an outside appeal to him directly. That precedent had been set when Bubu got reinstated the first time and Leath and Pollard didn't have a problem.

Somebody important to ISU (not necessarily AT ISU) doesn't want Bubu to play basketball... not at ISU... not anywhere. Who is it?
 

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Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Leath and Co look more and more like a bunch of amateurs. If they are going to keep on fighting, I hope they can do better than this.
 

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Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

I wonder how fun it will be for Leath to be boo'd by the students Saturday?
 

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Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

The argument has been that Leath intentionally waited 5 extra days in order to prevent Bubu from transferring. If the statement is correct, that argument is moot. The same number of spots would be open on Aug 30th as Aug 25th.

Not so much.. probably going to be harder to get one of the few remaining spots if the school knows the only way it happens is if a waiver is granted, vs a more clean transfer a week before.
 

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Dear Bubu:
They handed you an easy way through this.
You took the harder way.
Thank you very much for the no-win situation.

Dear ISU Administration:
Start with the clarification. Put the ball in the other guy's court to deal with.

So if you were accused if.a heinous crime you didn't commit would you settle for the easy solution? This.is not BuBu's fault. They.should have acted.quickly and or decisively. They did neither.
 

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Bubu served his suspension and it was lifted. This is 100% on Iowa State now. They should have handled it last year when it happened like any other competent organization would have.
 

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Finally got through every post in this thread...

I have some questions that I think get to the heart of it...

1. Who was the accuser who appealed to Leath during the summer? Was it the alleged victim or maybe a donor?

2. Why did it take Leath so long to render a decision?

After reading through all of this, it is my humble opinion that somebody who Iowa State values has a problem with Bubu playing basketball at Iowa State. Maybe a big donor? The only reason i can fathom Leath sitting on his decision until Bubu can't transfer is that somebody told him to or they won't donate anymore. That is it... in my mind anyway.

That is the crux of the issue... who was the person that appealed to Leath to get Bubu booted a second time? Obviously Leath wasn't going to do it without an outside appeal to him directly. That precedent had been set when Bubu got reinstated the first time and Leath and Pollard didn't have a problem.

Somebody important to ISU (not necessarily AT ISU) doesn't want Bubu to play basketball... not at ISU... not anywhere. Who is it?
We're back-ordered on tinfoil hats. What size do you need?
 

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Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Bubu's dismissal left plenty of time to figure out a transfer. He and his attorney didnt request one, although ISU and Pollard clearly were okay with one had he applied. Maybe Bubu looked around and didnt like the options. But staying was clearly a bad decision. Not the first he's ever made.

Wow. It's unbelievable how uneducated and dense some people are. Plenty of time would have been before classes started, before recruiting classes were filled, before the deadline making him have to sit out a year, or bare minimum semester.
 

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he said presumption of guilt. You should also be presumed innocent in a CoC hearing. The duty of proof is still not on Bubu and the default position should be prove to me he is guilty. That has not happened at any level that I can see and every judge that has viewed evidence agrees so the point that raises the question as to why Cfers presume him guilty is a valid one. Why do you?

I get your point, but one clarification, and obviously the Administrative Law Judge disagreed and called the decision unfounded. However, to quote the copywrited story in yesterdays DSM Register:
"The Story County attorney’s office dropped the charges, but Iowa State’s Office of Judicial Affairs determined Palo had violated student-conduct rules. An administrative law judge found the accusations that led to that ruling unfounded.

When the matter was appealed directly to Iowa State President Steven Leath, he decided Palo had violated Iowa State’s sexual misconduct policy. The state Board of Regents later backed that decision."

So, it was an appeal of the ALj appeal that Leath made his decision on. Whether correctly or incorrectly, it had been already ruled he had violated policy.

I have my opinions, but I all I am trying to do here is list what appears to be somewhat lost in the conversation.
 

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That ISU statement verges on Kafkaesque. They waited until transferring would be almost impossible and would be require a far from certain NCAA waiver before booting him. And then have the audacity to proclaim they would be behind him if he transfered.

That release erased the last shred of standing ISU had. Now they look even more like vengeful ********.
 

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Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Wow. It's unbelievable how uneducated and dense some people are. Plenty of time would have been before classes started, before recruiting classes were filled, before the deadline making him have to sit out a year, or bare minimum semester.

The case hadn't been appealed to Leath yet then.
 

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That ISU statement verges on Kafkaesque. They waited until transferring would be almost impossible and would be require a far from certain NCAA waiver before booting him. And then have the audacity to proclaim they would be behind him if he transfered.

That release erased the last shred of standing ISU had. Now they look even more like vengeful ********.

Here's some tinfoil.
 

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Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

The case hadn't been appealed to Leath yet then.

The case was appealed to leath months before then. It sat on his desk for 3 months
 

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Finally got through every post in this thread...

I have some questions that I think get to the heart of it...

1. Who was the accuser who appealed to Leath during the summer? Was it the alleged victim or maybe a donor?

2. Why did it take Leath so long to render a decision?

After reading through all of this, it is my humble opinion that somebody who Iowa State values has a problem with Bubu playing basketball at Iowa State. Maybe a big donor? The only reason i can fathom Leath sitting on his decision until Bubu can't transfer is that somebody told him to or they won't donate anymore. That is it... in my mind anyway.

That is the crux of the issue... who was the person that appealed to Leath to get Bubu booted a second time? Obviously Leath wasn't going to do it without an outside appeal to him directly. That precedent had been set when Bubu got reinstated the first time and Leath and Pollard didn't have a problem.

Somebody important to ISU (not necessarily AT ISU) doesn't want Bubu to play basketball... not at ISU... not anywhere. Who is it?

Roy Rieman.

End zone project on the line.
 

LutherBlue

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What kills me here is this case is solely based on the testimony of someone who illegally fabricated evidence, provided false testimony that was proven to be false by two credible witnesses. Is it possible that a crime was still committed? Of course. But the accuser loses credibility as a witness at that point. No judge would ever allow a case regardless of eviduciary standard to be based on her testimony. She committed a crime which is also a violation of SCoC. I am fairly confident they are hanging their hat on Bubu admitting she was drunk and he slept with her. Judges get that is not the same as incapacitated but it is clear that ISU doesn't based on the language used in their appeal and the new findings leath added. They are essentially saying someone can claim they had legal ability to consent and thus not consent and have ISU say in fact they didnt. This element hasn't really been tested but if someone claims the consent they provided shouldn't have been granted because they were so intoxicated that is one thing but it is completly another when they do not make that claim and ISU does. This case was about assault and it seems he may have been charged of misconduct in the form of statutory rape due to incapacitation. The alcohol training and consent language leads me to believe this is the underlying issue here. What a mess. I think this is a bigger issue and one the court should rule on but unfortunately one that is creating a sideshow for this basketball team now.
First, the AG's brief to the Supreme Court makes it clear that the case was not based solely on the alleged victim's testimony.

Second, judges and jurors rely on the testimony of witnesses of dubious credibility all the time. All the time. How many criminals have been put away based on the testimony of slimy, dishonest, fellow criminals?

My guess, and it is entirely a guess, is that Bubu admitted to ISU officials that he had sex with her when she was so drunk she couldn't give consent. That breaks the rules, no matter the fact that she later tried to manufacture evidence for the criminal case.