Car chase and shots fired

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Have no idea were this discussion is. Just found out Ty, the boy who was killed has family connections to my wife's hometown. Did a Facebook search on her (the mom) and found this photo.. classy! Also several comments about how stupid the cops are. obviously there are two sides to this story.

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Clonefan32

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It's not what he may do, it's what he already had done, that includes stealing a car, running from police, backing up onto a police car, and endangering lives by driving the wrong way on a one way street and onto central campus.


But, to me at least, what he had done is not relevant when you make the decision to shoot and kill him. You decide to shoot and kill if you are presently in immediate danger. With the car, by news accounts, stuck and surrounded by police, what was the immediate danger? Sure, he did the the other things. Try to bring him in alive and prosecute him on those things. I just can't see why, with the car stuck and pinned against a tree, you have to put 6 bullets in the guy, apparently justified by the fact that he had previously been acting reckless.
 

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But, to me at least, what he had done is not relevant when you make the decision to shoot and kill him. You decide to shoot and kill if you are presently in immediate danger. With the car, by news accounts, stuck and surrounded by police, what was the immediate danger? Sure, he did the the other things. Try to bring him in alive and prosecute him on those things. I just can't see why, with the car stuck and pinned against a tree, you have to put 6 bullets in the guy, apparently justified by the fact that he had previously been acting reckless.

You keep making this assumption that the car wasn't going anywhere, what leads you to believe that was the case and was clear to everyone?
 

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But, to me at least, what he had done is not relevant when you make the decision to shoot and kill him. You decide to shoot and kill if you are presently in immediate danger. With the car, by news accounts, stuck and surrounded by police, what was the immediate danger? Sure, he did the the other things. Try to bring him in alive and prosecute him on those things. I just can't see why, with the car stuck and pinned against a tree, you have to put 6 bullets in the guy, apparently justified by the fact that he had previously been acting reckless.

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How is the truck pinned or stuck? From what I have read, the cops spun the truck into its current position in that picture, got out, and ordered him out of the truck. The kid put the truck in reverse, and was attempting to get away, with multiple police standing behind the truck. The cops then opened fire.

The kid had already proven he would do whatever it takes to get away, and whose to say he wouldn't of taken a cop out to do such. Knowing the surrounding area, its pretty evident to me that it would of been a bad idea to let the chase go any further then that point. Kid refused to follow orders, and was equipped with a deadly weapon. Cops had no choice, IMO.
 

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But, to me at least, what he had done is not relevant when you make the decision to shoot and kill him. You decide to shoot and kill if you are presently in immediate danger. With the car, by news accounts, stuck and surrounded by police, what was the immediate danger? Sure, he did the the other things. Try to bring him in alive and prosecute him on those things. I just can't see why, with the car stuck and pinned against a tree, you have to put 6 bullets in the guy, apparently justified by the fact that he had previously been acting reckless.
First of all, it's absolutely relevant, because it's a clear indication of what he's going to do if he gets away again. Second, the eye witness account account I saw said after the truck hit the tree the suspect was still trying to ram police vehicles in an attempt to free the truck.
 

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Have no idea were this discussion is. Just found out Ty, the boy who was killed has family connections to my wife's hometown. Did a Facebook search on her (the mom) and found this photo.. classy! Also several comments about how stupid the cops are. obviously there are two sides to this story.

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If you had an argument with a teenage family member and they stormed away and took one of your vehicles would you call the police. Sounds like the erratic driving didn't start until the police started pursuit. I guess if you involve the police in something like this you have no control on how far it could escalate.
 

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First of all, it's absolutely relevant, because it's a clear indication of what he's going to do if he gets away again. Second, the eye witness account account I saw said after the truck hit the tree the suspect was still trying to ram police vehicles in an attempt to free the truck.

So why then weren't shots fired during the first aggressive actions? If they were in such grave danger then, why not shoot then? Instead, they wait until the car is damaged and stuck and the police have a better hold on the situation to shoot to kill.

It's pointless to argue about this at this point because the kid is dead and the only side of the story you will hear is that of the police and the increidbly thorough investigation I'm sure they will do into the circumstances surrounding the decision to shoot this kid 6 times.
 

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like Agronomist said, Play stupid games; win stupid prizes.

If he had pulled this stunt two hours later with all the students getting food at the tent, we'd likely be talking about multiple dead and injured students today. And the discussion would all be about "why didn't the cops use deadly force when he backed the trailer into the cop car - why didn't they take him out before he got near campus."
 

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So why then weren't shots fired during the first aggressive actions? If they were in such grave danger then, why not shoot then? Instead, they wait until the car is damaged and stuck and the police have a better hold on the situation to shoot to kill.

It's pointless to argue about this at this point because the kid is dead and the only side of the story you will hear is that of the police and the increidbly thorough investigation I'm sure they will do into the circumstances surrounding the decision to shoot this kid 6 times.
Shoot when? When they were chasing the suspect? Maybe just hang out the window and fire a few rounds at a moving vehicle in hopes of hitting something?
 

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But, to me at least, what he had done is not relevant when you make the decision to shoot and kill him. You decide to shoot and kill if you are presently in immediate danger. With the car, by news accounts, stuck and surrounded by police, what was the immediate danger? Sure, he did the the other things. Try to bring him in alive and prosecute him on those things. I just can't see why, with the car stuck and pinned against a tree, you have to put 6 bullets in the guy, apparently justified by the fact that he had previously been acting reckless.

How can it possibly not be relevant that this guy had just a few minutes earlier tried to park his trailer on top of a cop car and was driving erratically through campus causing people to dive out of his path? He had demonstrated just a few minutes earlier complete disregard for human life, he was not surrendering, and he was continuing to rock the vehicle trying to get it unstuck. His vehicle wasn't pinned. What in those circumstances would make you think that his prior disregard for human life had changed?

I'm just curious. Suppose the cops played it your way, and tried to peacefully apprehend him, but he got unstuck and ran over some students on his way off campus. Are you prepared to say it was just too bad for those students, but innocent bystanders sometimes have to sacrifice so that dangerous criminals can be apprehended alive? I'm sorry...but that's just messed up.
 

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Shoot when? When they were chasing the suspect? Maybe just hang out the window and fire a few rounds at a moving vehicle in hopes of hitting something?

No, silly....when the helicopter came hovering over and the the police were hanging by their legs...you know, right before the big explosion?
 

cowgirl836

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No, silly....when the helicopter came hovering over and the the police were hanging by their legs...you know, right before the big explosion?

ah man, don't tell me they had Michael Bay directing this one!
 

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Shoot when? When they were chasing the suspect? Maybe just hang out the window and fire a few rounds at a moving vehicle in hopes of hitting something?
Are you implying that shooting out of the window while driving in GTA isn't realistic?
 

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If you had an argument with a teenage family member and they stormed away and took one of your vehicles would you call the police. Sounds like the erratic driving didn't start until the police started pursuit. I guess if you involve the police in something like this you have no control on how far it could escalate.
Except it was dad's business truck he stole.
 

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I am wondering why his dad felt he needed to call the police in the first place, to teach him a lesson, prove a point, maybe embarrass him? Like he wasn't going to get the truck back eventually and if he got his cigarettes probably would have returned after awhile anyway. From reading the article, it sounds like he was having a few emotional problems recently so I just don't think I would have gone so far as to call the cops. Kids at that age in my view just don't think straight sometimes especially if he was upset about breaking up with his girl friend and seeing the cops coming after him etc. Oh we think they're all grown up at 19 but I don't. I certainly don't condone what he did, I think it just spun out of control. I've met the officer that shot him - he's a really nice guy. Sad, prayers to everyone involved
 

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I don't think some people understand where the dad is coming from. His son stole a company vehicle and called the cops to say his son took the vehicle, and he was willing to file a missing vehicle report. It's very possible with his sons emotional issues, he feared his son was going to take this vehicle somewhere. Calling the cops, in the fathers mind at the time, could've been for his sons safety, and making sure he isn't stealing a vehicle and doing something extremely dangerous.