Car chase and shots fired

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So, if I am reading the story correctly, they pursue him for some ways, while he is putting pedestrians life in danger, and only upon him crashing the truck into a tree they opened fire? Doesn't that seem a bit unncessary when the car is immobilized if the justification was ongoing threat to the public? I could also be reading the story wrong, as the details seem a bit murky.


They opened up when he put it into reverse to continue the joyride....following almost creaming students.
 

CloneIce

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A pack of cigarettes. This all happened because the kid's dad wouldn't take him to buy a pack of cigarettes. So he grabbed the truck and took off to go buy them himself.

Why did his dad get the police involved claiming auto theft for that?
 

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So, if I am reading the story correctly, they pursue him for some ways, while he is putting pedestrians life in danger, and only upon him crashing the truck into a tree they opened fire? Doesn't that seem a bit unncessary when the car is immobilized if the justification was ongoing threat to the public? I could also be reading the story wrong, as the details seem a bit murky.

They ordered him out of the truck, and he didn't listen and continued to try and get away. A truck is a deadly weapon, and knowing there are 10's of thousands of people walking around the immediate area, what other choice did the officer have?
 

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So, if I am reading the story correctly, they pursue him for some ways, while he is putting pedestrians life in danger, and only upon him crashing the truck into a tree they opened fire? Doesn't that seem a bit unncessary when the car is immobilized if the justification was ongoing threat to the public? I could also be reading the story wrong, as the details seem a bit murky.
No it is necessary. The cops gave him orders and he refused to abide by them. Cops has no way of knowing if this kid was armed or not.
 

Clonefan32

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They ordered him out of the truck, and he didn't listen and continued to try and get away. A truck is a deadly weapon, and knowing there are 10's of thousands of people walking around the immediate area, what other choice did the officer have?

I agree with you, if someone blatantly disobeys police orders they are putting their life in their hands. However, how many "high speed" chases do you see on television where the suspect is weaving in and out of, putting many people in danger, where deadly force is not used? I have a hard time believing one truck could put "10's of thousands of people walking around the immediate area" in danger. In reality, if the alert system had worked in a timely manner they could have largely kept people safe, inside a building.

Again, I'm not justifying what this guy did. However, I would have to think there was a better alternative then putting 6 bullets in someone. These car chases frequently end safely, and I have a hard time believing the same couldn't have been done here where the car was largely immobilized.
 

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I agree with you, if someone blatantly disobeys police orders they are putting their life in their hands. However, how many "high speed" chases do you see on television where the suspect is weaving in and out of, putting many people in danger, where deadly force is not used? I have a hard time believing one truck could put "10's of thousands of people walking around the immediate area" in danger. In reality, if the alert system had worked in a timely manner they could have largely kept people safe, inside a building.

Again, I'm not justifying what this guy did. However, I would have to think there was a better alternative then putting 6 bullets in someone. These car chases frequently end safely, and I have a hard time believing the same couldn't have been done here where the car was largely immobilized.
How would the alert system have helped?
 

Clonefan32

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How would the alert system have helped?

Presumably, if the fear was people milling about outside while this person was driving around on campus, the alert could have notified everyone to either stay indoors or get indoors. Given the sudden nature of all of this I'm not sure it could have helped, but I'm pretty sure the purpose of the system is to quickly relay information necessary for student safety.
 

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Presumably, if the fear was people milling about outside while this person was driving around on campus, the alert could have notified everyone to either stay indoors or get indoors. Given the sudden nature of all of this I'm not sure it could have helped, but I'm pretty sure the purpose of the system is to quickly relay information necessary for student safety.
Do you really think the situation could have been assessed that a chase was happening on campus, the alert sent out, received by students and have them stay away from the area in the time it took him to drive from Lied to Beardshear? How long does that take at normal driving speeds, 1 minute?
 

Clonefan32

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This is my thought as well for all the people who claim the alert system failed. The chase was probably long over by the time they recieved information to put out an alert.

Isn't the system's purpose to quickly disseminate information? I don't think the system would do much good if it waited for all the facts to roll in and then alert people as to the possible threat.
 

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Isn't the system's purpose to quickly disseminate information? I don't think the system would do much good if it waited for all the facts to roll in and then alert people as to the possible threat.
This is no time for facts!
 

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I agree with you, if someone blatantly disobeys police orders they are putting their life in their hands. However, how many "high speed" chases do you see on television where the suspect is weaving in and out of, putting many people in danger, where deadly force is not used? I have a hard time believing one truck could put "10's of thousands of people walking around the immediate area" in danger. In reality, if the alert system had worked in a timely manner they could have largely kept people safe, inside a building.

Again, I'm not justifying what this guy did. However, I would have to think there was a better alternative then putting 6 bullets in someone. These car chases frequently end safely, and I have a hard time believing the same couldn't have been done here where the car was largely immobilized.

Ummm.. Shoot out the tires. Find another way to disarm the car and turn it off or make it ineffective. Not pump 6 shots into an unarmed kid.
 

Clonefan32

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Do you really think the situation could have been assessed that a chase was happening on campus, the alert sent out, received by students and have them stay away from the area in the time it took him to drive from Lied to Beardshear? How long does that take at normal driving speeds, 1 minute?

Again, the system isn't meant to provide thought out, proven information. I also don't think the message should only be sent out when the chase hits campus. If there is a high speed chase near campus, I think it would be prudent to send out a message saying there is a high speedy chase near campus please stay inside. Some people would get it, some wouldn't, but it seems like a reasonable alternative to assuming the guy is going to mow down students if you don't shoot and kill him.
 

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The alert couldn't have done anything, things happened way to fast.

I also don't get criticizing the decision the cop made to shoot. If he shows no intention of giving up the chase you need to take the shot, the moment that truck starts moving again innocent lives are in danger and shooting at the moving target is much more dangerous if not impossible.

Sad situation for sure, but this could have had a much more tragic ending.
 

Clonefan32

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This is no time for facts!

Yep, doesn't make sense to err on the side of caution with these things. You'd sure hate to see them act in a way that overprotects people rather than wait and inform them of the risk after it's come and gone.
 

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Ummm.. Shoot out the tires. Find another way to disarm the car and turn it off or make it ineffective. Not pump 6 shots into an unarmed kid.
They had no way of knowing if the kid was armed or not. Also, it's not like a vehicle can't automatically drive because its tires are flat. He wouldn't be able to get away very fast but he could have still harmed others.