KU with 5 new helmets

[Rhoadhoused]

Why not? I'd gladly tell a college that they lost me because their uniforms weren't flashy enough, if it were the truth. Just like I've told employers, "Hey, it wasn't you, it was the lack of money that made me go elsewhere." If this were a big deal, if the coaches perceived this as a problem, which i don't believe it is, we'd have no problem getting our Flat black and chrome uniforms, diamond plate socks, with a white helmet alternate uniforms. Honestly, if a recruit chooses his school based on uniform, then **** him, I don't want that idiot playing for ISU.

Alright I am done with this. Just because a kid is immature as a high schooler and has reasons for picking a school like what number he will wear, how cool the jerseys are, how hot the girls were that hosted his visit, ect does not mean that Iowa State should not make a full effort to become the most attractive option possible.

You guys can keep your head stuck in the sand.

 

[BigLame]

Chime in with my 2 cents:
It is part of the overall marketing schtick as well - how many on this board would potentially buy a good looking, alternate jersey of some sort? And this would be in addition to the other Cyclone gear already owned, so would that revenue not offset the cost associated with outfitting the team with an alternate uniform? Could ISU, heaven forbid, make potentially make some $?

Someone made up an alternate jersey that was white that had some sort of grey helmet with our logo. Thought that was pretty sick looking jersey and I am on the side of being an old fuddy-duddy.

Think it would be wise to have our 2 regular jerseys, then have 2 alternate - one for home & one for away. One for home maybe have the gold be more of the base color? I don't know, just my random thoughts now.

Large thing I agree with - OU, UT, & ISU are the 3 schools that have not delved into the alternate jersey universe, and 1 of those 3 do not look like the other. When TCU joined the conference, they jumped right on the alternate jersey bandwagon. Any way to differentiate yourself from your competitors (in particular for recruits) is not a bad thing. It can be done economically as well, so I don't think that is the issue.

 

[everyyard]

Chime in with my 2 cents:
It is part of the overall marketing schtick as well - how many on this board would potentially buy a good looking, alternate jersey of some sort? And this would be in addition to the other Cyclone gear already owned, so would that revenue not offset the cost associated with outfitting the team with an alternate uniform? Could ISU, heaven forbid, make potentially make some $?

Someone made up an alternate jersey that was white that had some sort of grey helmet with our logo. Thought that was pretty sick looking jersey and I am on the side of being an old fuddy-duddy.

Think it would be wise to have our 2 regular jerseys, then have 2 alternate - one for home & one for away. One for home maybe have the gold be more of the base color? I don't know, just my random thoughts now.

Large thing I agree with - OU, UT, & ISU are the 3 schools that have not delved into the alternate jersey universe, and 1 of those 3 do not look like the other. When TCU joined the conference, they jumped right on the alternate jersey bandwagon. Any way to differentiate yourself from your competitors (in particular for recruits) is not a bad thing. It can be done economically as well, so I don't think that is the issue.

did I miss KSU's alternate?

 

[Clones21]

Some guy made a cyclone uniforms twitter account​

and here are some followers:

Jarvis West
Grant Rohach
Sam Richardson
Mitchell Meyers
Jeff Woody
Quinton Pompey
Quenton Brundrage
Alex Leslie
Aaron Horne


Cyclone Uniforms ‏@CycloneUniforms3 Jun
Indiana unveils new helmets today pic.twitter.com/S7YQ9VAZJu


Quenton Bundrage ‏@QuoteOnKwote3 Jun
@CycloneUniforms that should be us in those pictures!

 

[State43]

I agree with roadhoused on this. Mixing it up a couple games every couple of years is not a bad thing. A little extra buzz would be great. Take the Texas game for instance, national tv, players pumped to wear the new digs, get to show them off for our biggest spotlight game of the year. I love the idea of the JackTricethrowbacks, could even get a segment on ESPN explaining the backstory while showing the alternate jerseys. I think it would be genius. Just my opinion

 

[BigLame]

did I miss KSU's alternate?

Nope. I believe you are correct. I was going by someone else's earlier post & did not look up. Believe all of the others have used some form of alternates. I still think we could try 1 for home & 1 for away games, along with our 2 normal ones. No need to constantly change or go crazy-whack-funky like Maryland. Have an away jersey with white as the base but with something different for the helmet, etc, and have something for home with gold as the base. Nothing outlandish but something for some new juice, both for the players and the fan base.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

I've given up on fun.

 

[cyclones500]

These conversations always diverge in the following manner, for the most part:

* Fans who want to keep the current base design, but add alternate combos (and perhaps limited use of iconic, historic stuff like Walking Cy).
* Fans who hate the current design and want it completely re-invented AGAIN (or who want to add black or gray or chrome or other non-ISU color, or some other ill-advised idea to out-crazy Maryland or out-Oregon Oregon ... ).

Can you tell which category more closely matches my view?

:smile:

 

[Linusvanp3lt]

If there is no evidence of it helping recruiting, why should ISU sink $$$ into alternates? Given where ISU's AD budget is, don't you think the money would be better spent on keeping coach's salaries competitive with those of our conference mates?



Again, is there any solid evidence that Oregon won recruits because of their uniforms?

Rivals.com Football Recruiting - Uniforms make difference in recruiting

College football programs use bold uniforms to lure recruits - The Bonus - SI.com

Michael Kruse on Nike and the success of Oregon football - Grantland

New Oregon State logo, football uniforms revealed - SBNation.com

And if that isn't enough for you...just remember...you're talking about Kansas football today on July 1st. Why is that again?

 

[cyclones500]

Staying with the thread topic exclusively, I'll rank them:

1. White
2. Blue
3. Powder blue (but only as a North Carolina helmet .. otherwise 4th)
4. Red
5. Black

I actually like that they're using the dorky Jayhawk, but it doesn't look as good on the blue or red as much as the white. It stands out against the black, too, but ... everybody has to incorporate black, don't they?

 

[00clone]

Staying with the thread topic exclusively, I'll rank them:

1. White
2. Blue
3. Powder blue (but only as a North Carolina helmet .. otherwise 4th)
4. Red
5. Black

I actually like that they're using the dorky Jayhawk, but it doesn't look as good on the blue or red as much as the white. It stands out against the black, too, but ... everybody has to incorporate black, don't they?

Don't...you...dare...get this thread back on topic, ya fun hatin' sunuvabich...we will argue for days, DAYS, I tell you, about uniforms, and alternates, and recruits loving uniforms, and budgets, and how anyone who doesn't share our opinions is a moron who is so dumb, how are they not a hawkeye fan? And we'll insult each others' hometowns and we'll have a poster DEFENDING MEDIACOM, for god's sake, because this...is...the offseason, and getting all spooled up over dumb schit is our american, god given right (or maybe it's a Branstead given right, that might be at the state level, going to have to check...I digress), that shall not be transgressed (or transmogrified, or transgendered, or Transylvania'ed, maybe...I can't think of the word, but it's a big one).

So you get off of your high horse, and tell us what you think of alternates at ISU, not them Jayhawkin' sumbiches.

 

[Aclone]

No matter how many helmets they have,it won't make them play better.

 

[hurdleisu24]

recruits these days.....

 

[bringmagicback]

I dont see how people cant realize that this absolutely helps in recruiting. Teams like Alabama dont need to do this but everyone that is not that top 10 program year in and year out will benefit from this. I cant think of a single reason not to have multiple alternates.

 

[tm3308]

So to combat my assertion that Oregon built their program around changing jerseys and being a cool option for recruits, you asked me for proof.

Then you say that they simply pay players to get better with no proof. Ok.

Even if they did pay players, the jerseys certainly helped even more. Not many programs have made the rise they have even paying players.

Oregon was just hit with (albeit weak) sanctions for major recruiting violations. They are a long ways from being a clean program, just like any of the nation's top programs.

Their style of offense has done just as much, if not more than their uniform combos have. If I were a fast, offensive skill player, I'd be drooling at a scholarship offer from Oregon.

 

[ISUagger]

Pollard always talks about "building our brand" so don't expect a major uniform change anytime soon. The current design looks much better than any of our old stuff anyways.
However, much like a majority of people on this forum, I would love to see a few alternates other than yellow. Once or twice a year tops. I thought the Trice uniforms were awesome, and they could merchandise the heck out of it.

 

[jbhtexas]

Rivals.com Football Recruiting - Uniforms make difference in recruiting

College football programs use bold uniforms to lure recruits - The Bonus - SI.com

Michael Kruse on Nike and the success of Oregon football - Grantland

New Oregon State logo, football uniforms revealed - SBNation.com

And if that isn't enough for you...just remember...you're talking about Kansas football today on July 1st. Why is that again?

Enough of what? Wild conjecture and speculation??? I love the misleading Rivals article title. If you actually read the article, two players were interviewed who actually discussed their reasons for committing, and neither of them chose their school because of uniform:

As much as Brigham loved Maryland's unconventional uniforms, they played absolutely no role in his decision.
[...]
"I committed there because of the university and the atmosphere and the uniforms are a plus," Brigham said. "That's more of an afterthought. That wouldn't be one of the top reasons to choose that university but now that I have chosen them and they're doing this whole new line of uniforms, I think it's great."

Jeff Lockie, an Oregon quarterback commit, doesn't seem to care at all about uniforms and said they played no factor in his decision. At the school with NIKE money running deep through it, Lockie was not at all influenced by the fashion behind college football. "As much as people say it does matter I have to say it did not matter to me," Lockie said. "It's a decision I'm making for the next four or five years of my life, I'm not going to pick a place because of the way they look on game day.

"Every school has nice uniforms and some are better than others, but you want to go to a place where you're OK with the coaches and the place you are and the people around you, not so much what jersey you're wearing."

At least in the Grantland article, they managed to find some players who implied that uniforms may have played a roll, although none said that uniforms were the main reason for the school selection.

None of those articles offer any proof that uniforms enhance winning. And as I showed earlier, Oregon was a well-established FB program long before they started messing around with uniforms. Same with Oklahoma State and TCU.

And as to why am I personally discussing KU FB in July? Because the Bevins thread, Android app thread, hackberry tree thread, and Tulsa Olympics thread had no new posts and this thread seemed most promising of the ones remaining on the Recent Threads page.

That said, if ISU came up with an alternate to honor Jack Trice, I could go for that.

 

[Cyclonin]

Pollard always talks about "building our brand" so don't expect a major uniform change anytime soon. The current design looks much better than any of our old stuff anyways.
However, much like a majority of people on this forum, I would love to see a few alternates other than yellow. Once or twice a year tops. I thought the Trice uniforms were awesome, and they could merchandise the heck out of it.

Apparently, I am agreeing with you in all threads this morning. I dont mind our uniforms right now, although people seem to hate them.

Would everyone rather have the ketchup/mustard ones? How about the blue accents? Those sucked. These ones are decent looking (who cares if they look like USC, we aren't a traditional football powerhouse, we dont have a "traditional" look), and alternates would add that "fun-ness" for lack of a better term. It would show we are sticking with our I-State logo, but sparking up some interest and hopefully some good publicity along the way.

 

[Cyclonin]

Enough of what? Wild conjecture and speculation??? I love the misleading Rivals article title. If you actually read the article, two players were interviewed who actually discussed their reasons for committing, and neither of them chose their school because of uniform:





At least in the Grantland article, they managed to find some players who implied that uniforms may have played a roll, although none said that uniforms were the main reason for the school selection.

None of those articles offer any proof that uniforms enhance winning. And as I showed earlier, Oregon was a well-established FB program long before they started messing around with uniforms. Same with Oklahoma State and TCU.

And as to why am I personally discussing KU FB in July...becasue the Bevins thread, Android app thread, hackberry tree thread, and Tulsa Olympics thread had no new posts.

Of course they don't enhance winning (unless you have Boise blue unis on their turf), but a recruit has never said, "Those matte black alternate helmets really made me take a look at another school."

New/Alternate uniforms provide fun for the kids, publicity for the athletic department, and hopefully some revenue in merchandise sales.

In the big picture it may marginally help, or I am sure you could "prove" it doesn't help at all, but it sure as hell doesnt hurt. I can't remember if it was you who brought up the budget issues, but if you really think the reason we aren't doing alternate uniforms is we cant afford them, that's very silly of you.

Uniforms are an afterthought when it comes to the kinds of money the athletic department deals with.

 

[tm3308]

Of course they don't enhance winning (unless you have Boise blue unis on their turf), but a recruit has never said, "Those matte black alternate helmets really made me take a look at another school."

New/Alternate uniforms provide fun for the kids, publicity for the athletic department, and hopefully some revenue in merchandise sales.

In the big picture it may marginally help, or I am sure you could "prove" it doesn't help at all, but it sure as hell doesnt hurt. I can't remember if it was you who brought up the budget issues, but if you really think the reason we aren't doing alternate uniforms is we cant afford them, that's very silly of you.

Uniforms are an afterthought when it comes to the kinds of money the athletic department deals with.

If these don't hurt, kids between 13-18 need to all be rounded up and shot. We'll start over.