Looks like things are getting a little tense at the ACC meetings. I can't imagine all the NC schools liking FSU calling for Swofford's resignation...Wonder if FSU will make some other demands too like unequal sharing of the TV money in their favor.
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Looks like things are getting a little tense at the ACC meetings. I can't imagine all the NC schools liking FSU calling for Swofford's resignation...Wonder if FSU will make some other demands too like unequal sharing of the TV money in their favor.
I read that even if Swofford does resign, it may not matter in the long run because the money difference between the Big XII and ACC. It's more of a if he's not gone then we're definitely gone.
But if he does get the boot, does that keep FSU in the ACC? Even with the disparities, how can they make demands then leave?
Basically, there is a 5% chance he gets the boot. UNC, Duke hold the power in the ACC. Swofford will tell them to hang it in their *** and then FSU will say We tried to make things work and then they can leave and not look like the bad guy.
While I agree with much of this post I do not agree with the bolded part. If they assimalated to their surroundings going down why couldn't it work in reverse? They are still located in a state with abundent talent and now going to a real football conf with additional money to compete and many high value home games that puts them on more equal footing with UF and their recruiting would improve. While I wish FSU would flounder and ISU would ascend above them I just don't see it happening. I see FSU joining OU and TX as top tier in the conf with Clemson, TCU, OSU & WVA in the next tier then ISU, KSU, BU then TTU and KU. All the schools will ascend and decend from year to year but over the long haul schools don't improve their station very often. Look at KSU - Snyder lead them up the ladder but once he left they fell very quickly, same for KU.
I agree to an extent. FSU is not going to get good overnight. They, along with any team that joins the big 12 will have to get used to the lay of the land. When this happens, then yeah they could stand to become the third big fish in the metaphorical B12 pond. The reason I liked it so much was because it is true. It is nice to see the B12 looked at as a big boys league. FSU is going to have to rebuild in the big 12, and I think they are starting to see the writing on the wall in the ACC.
Agree it will take them time, along with TCU, WVA & whoever (Clemson) but the recruiting advantages they have are much akin to OU getting a lot of recruits from TX - UT may be first but OU a close 2nd - it would work the same way in FL right now UF is first but in the Big 12 FSU will be a very close second and maybe someday supplant UF.
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Time for me to feed The Monster (nom, nom, nom).
If there are as many as ten schools informally contacting the Big 12 for potential membership, then why expand in successive rounds to 16? Why not add 6 and get all the expansion done and over with in one fell swoop?
Here's my list of fave schools to add: Pitt (if they're truly available), Louisville, U of Maryland, VA Tech, Clemson, and FSU. Pitt, UL, UM, and VT gives WVU all the geographic rivalries it probably desires. Clemson and FSU adds to what would be called the Big 16's TV footprint.
Here's how I'd make up the divisions:
Big 16 East: ISU, WVU, UL, Pitt, UM, VT, FSU and Clemson.
Big 16 West: KU, KSU, OU, OSU, TTU, UT, TCU and BU.
Notice I didn't include ND as I feel they still really want to be a football independent, but if they do join a conference, the B1G has the upper hand as ND would probably move all sports to a single conference. Still, this collection of football schools is not bad at all. I don't favor "The U" at all in the Big 16; their style is closely aligned to the SEC (they cheat...a lot).
Accordingly scheduling would be seven intradivisional games and two interdivisional. A team would play two interdivisional teams once every four years making them defacto non-conference games. If conference teams are willing go to a ten game conference schedule, then a "protected" interdivisional rivalry game may be played as well. For ISU the logical candidates for this "protected rivalry" are KU, KSU, BU, and possibly TTU.
Well, I'm done feeding The Monster today.
If there are as many as ten schools informally contacting the Big 12 for potential membership, then why expand in successive rounds to 16? Why not add 6 and get all the expansion done and over with in one fell swoop?
Here's my list of fave schools to add: Pitt (if they're truly available), Louisville, U of Maryland, VA Tech, Clemson, and FSU. Pitt, UL, UM, and VT gives WVU all the geographic rivalries it probably desires. Clemson and FSU adds to what would be called the Big 16's TV footprint.
Here's how I'd make up the divisions:
Big 16 East: ISU, WVU, UL, Pitt, UM, VT, FSU and Clemson.
Big 16 West: KU, KSU, OU, OSU, TTU, UT, TCU and BU.
Notice I didn't include ND as I feel they still really want to be a football independent, but if they do join a conference, the B1G has the upper hand as ND would probably move all sports to a single conference. Still, this collection of football schools is not bad at all. I don't favor "The U" at all in the Big 16; their style is closely aligned to the SEC (they cheat...a lot).
Accordingly scheduling would be seven intradivisional games and two interdivisional. A team would play two interdivisional teams once every four years making them defacto non-conference games. If conference teams are willing go to a ten game conference schedule, then a "protected" interdivisional rivalry game may be played as well. For ISU the logical candidates for this "protected rivalry" are KU, KSU, BU, and possibly TTU.
Well, I'm done feeding The Monster today.
I think it would suck to have 0 divisional games against any original Big12 members.
I would very much prefer if they pushed TCU East and swapped us to the West. Then it would be the remaining 8 from the original Big12 and all of the new players. They we would have some semblence of tradition while adding a bunch of new and awesome interdivisional games.
Yes I'm sure TCU would prefer to be in a division with the rest of the Texas schools but they were more than willing to go east to the Big East before. And they'd get to play texas schools in the interdivision games.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...es/05/14/florida-state-realignment/index.html
My guess is FSU, Clemson, Louisville and ND Olympic and Boise State football.
My guess is FSU, Clemson, Louisville and ND Olympic and Boise State football.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...es/05/14/florida-state-realignment/index.html
My guess is FSU, Clemson, Louisville and ND Olympic and Boise State football.
Please no. All or nothing.
Mostly because ISU is the geographical outlier in the conference and putting ISU in the eastern division is a more natural split then, say, TCU. The second most logical team to split off would be Baylor, but I think the TX Legislature would have a very hard time with that circumstance along with any of the other TX teams. ISU would play nicely and adjust; we would play three western teams per year anyway if a ten game schedule is agreed upon just like any of the TX teams, but w/o the political interference. I'm afraid that losing Nebbie and Mizzou has really affected ISU's geographic standing in the conference as we have no natural rivalries anymore.
Edit: I guess I wasn't done feeding The Monster after all. :wink:
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Joe Schad @schadjoe Does Florida State leave the ACC when it's president appears to strongly support staying?
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Barron does note reasons to leave would include "too North Carolina centric" and Big 12 deal rumored at 2.9M more per year
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In memo, FSU Prez Barron writes, "the faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker."
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In memo, FSU Prez Barron writes "it would cost between $20M and $25 M and we have no idea where that money would come from."
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In memo, FSU Prez Barron writes "When fans realize Texas would get more dollars than FSU it would be interesting to see fan reaction."
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In memo, FSU Prez Barron writes, "We can't afford to have conference affiliation governed by emotion."
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In memo today, FSU Prez mostly argues against leaving ACC
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Joe Schad @schadjoe Barron does note reasons to leave would include "too North Carolina centric" and Big 12 deal rumored at 2.9M more per year
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Joe Schad @schadjoe In memo, FSU Prez Barron writes, "the faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker."
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Joe Schad @schadjoe In memo, FSU Prez Barron writes "it would cost between $20M and $25 M and we have no idea where that money would come from."
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Joe Schad @schadjoe In memo, FSU Prez Barron writes "When fans realize Texas would get more dollars than FSU it would be interesting to see fan reaction."
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Joe Schad @schadjoe In memo, FSU Prez Barron writes, "We can't afford to have conference affiliation governed by emotion."
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Joe Schad @schadjoe In memo today, FSU Prez mostly argues against leaving ACC
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I agree. I don't think the Big 16 is going to happen, but if it did, I would hope ISU remains in the same division as Kansas and Kansas State. They're our closest rivals in the conference, regionally and competitively, and it would be a shame to lose two easy-to-travel road games every other year.
If I were the commish, I'd set it up like this (again, I don't think the Big 16 happens)
B16 East - ISU, KU, KSU, Louis, WV, Pitt, Georgia Tech, TCU
B16 West - OU, OSU, UT, TT, BU, Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech
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