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This is why Pitt recently sued to get out early from the BE. They want to be available....sort of lift your skirt wise. After their fans recent smugness as to being in far superior academic conference you simply wonder. Some things never seem to change with Pitt. :twitcy:
Seems all our speculation months ago might be finally growing some serious legs. Still hope VPI gets included somehow, but they may be ticketed to the SEC. Also let me say that WVU is VERY VERY happy to be apart of this awesome conference. Our attitude is more of a confidence of being put down and playing with a chip on our shoulder. Don't for a minute think we are not eternally grateful.




Trainer said:
Of the supposed 10 teams wanting into the Big 12
This is from last night:
IsThereANameNotChosen wrote:

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IsThereANameNotChosen wrote: Just saw a list of schools that have contacted the Big 12 wanting to open discussions. There are ten. Louisville isn't in my top 5.​
Care to inform us? And is there any info behind your convictions that FSU, Clemson, and Miami are in?

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It's the usual suspects. 6 ACC schools, Louisville, Notre Dame, BYU and.....wait for it............Pitt!!!! Haha! The nerve!

As far as those three, Brian seems pretty sure. Says the ACC deal really got them going. He hasn't been wrong yet. (Brian Ethridge, Baylor 247)

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Rockman said:
This is why Pitt recently sued to get out early from the BE. They want to be available....sort of lift your skirt wise. After their fans recent smugness as to being in far superior academic conference you simply wonder. Some things never seem to change with Pitt. :twitcy:
Seems all our speculation months ago might be finally growing some serious legs. Still hope VPI gets included somehow, but they may be ticketed to the SEC. Also let me say that WVU is VERY VERY happy to be apart of this awesome conference. Our attitude is more of a confidence of being put down and playing with a chip on our shoulder. Don't for a minute think we are not eternally grateful.
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I'm giving you rep for referring to it as the Virginia Polytechnic Institute.
 
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Not sure about 16 teams, but this would be pretty frickin amazing. I would guess money for this conference would approach $40 mil per team.Scout.com: Might be a pipe dream...but how awesome would this be?
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Isn't there a point that adding teams won't bring more money per team? If the FSU/Tex type matchups are driving the additional money, then the more teams you have means they would play less often if they are on separate divisions. It seems from what I've read, $25mil could be the high point considering for every team you add, you have to pay them that amount as well. I guess the details of the TV contract would dictate how far we expand, but to think it'll keep going up beyond 12 or 14 isn't realistic.
 
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Isn't there a point that adding teams won't bring more money per team? If the FSU/Tex type matchups are driving the additional money, then the more teams you have means they would play less often if they are on separate divisions. It seems from what I've read, $25mil could be the high point considering for every team you add, you have to pay them that amount as well. I guess the details of the TV contract would dictate how far we expand, but to think it'll keep going up beyond 12 or 14 isn't realistic.
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As long as the value of the added school exceeds the average value of each school, the average for each school increases with each added team. It's the "marginal exceeding average" concept if you've ever taken economics.
 
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Rockman said:
This is why Pitt recently sued to get out early from the BE. They want to be available....sort of lift your skirt wise. After their fans recent smugness as to being in far superior academic conference you simply wonder. Some things never seem to change with Pitt. :twitcy:
Seems all our speculation months ago might be finally growing some serious legs. Still hope VPI gets included somehow, but they may be ticketed to the SEC. Also let me say that WVU is VERY VERY happy to be apart of this awesome conference. Our attitude is more of a confidence of being put down and playing with a chip on our shoulder. Don't for a minute think we are not eternally grateful.
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And I had always thought that, until after the last week and this expansion stuff started really rolling and I was paying more and more attention to the scout boards. Maybe I did get a little too caught up in message board hype, with threads that say WVU is going to be top dog in year one, or that if Miami comes to the big 12 they will replace Texas as top school annually, and then the whole conference owing WVU.

Thank you for putting my mind at ease that not everyone thinks it is that easy to be the top team in B12, and showing how grateful your fan base is. As a IState fan, we have been on the other side of this whole realignment talk, and it is scary as ****. As always thanks for checking in on our boards, and giving us some of your insights.
 
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As long as the value of the added school exceeds the average value of each school, the average for each school increases with each added team. It's the "marginal exceeding average" concept if you've ever taken economics.
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I think the concern here is a perceived diminished return on investment that would cause matchups, which drive the value, to be less frequent.
 
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BooneCy said:
I think the concern here is a perceived diminished return on investment that would cause matchups, which drive the value, to be less frequent.
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That concern would be unfounded as we would be taking basically all the HIGH dollar matchups from the ACC, leaving them with a bunch of pillow fights between the basketball-centric schools. No TV execs are paying big money for Duke, UNC, Wake, and UVA and the like playing slap-fight at a Brownie convention.

If you have the chance to take FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech and Miami you just do it. The TV money would go beyond 30 million very quickly.
 
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BooneCy said:
I think the concern here is a perceived diminished return on investment that would cause matchups, which drive the value, to be less frequent.
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Ahh, so a conference in which OU and FSU play every year is more valuable than a conference in which they only play every other year, all else equal--is that what you're saying? If so, good point. Presumably, though, the greater the number of high-value teams, the greater the number high-value matchups. If anything, a higher number of quality teams would enable the conference to develop pairings that optimize TV value every week.
 
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FSU has fallen back to ACC; Big 12 would eat up Seminoles - NCAA Football - Sporting News

Look, I don’t want to throw a wet blanket on all this happy conjecture of leaving for the Big 12, but someone amid all those voices in Tallahassee saying so many contradicting things better take a long, hard look at the ramifications of leaving for the Big 12.



It’s not just a significant jump in the level of play—the Big 12 trails only the SEC—it’s a demanding game off the field of anything you can do I can do better. FSU recently announced a $2 million-plus deficit in the athletic department, and one idea is the Big 12’s television contract will allow the university to clear that off the books.



Meanwhile, TCU’s $105 million stadium renovation will be complete in time for its first season in the Big 12. Baylor has plans for a new $250 million campus stadium. Boone Pickens can’t give enough millions to Oklahoma State.
Kansas State is in the process of a $75 million project to update Snyder Family Stadium. Then, of course, there is Texas: land of endless cash.
“You better have some big boy pants in this league,†said one Big 12 coach. “And then you get to go play every Saturday.â€



The question isn’t whether FSU can get a better television deal with the Big 12 (it can), or if FSU can start its own network to televise FSU sports (it can, but who will watch it?). It isn’t whether the Big 12 gives FSU the ability to sell out home games because of better competition (it does).This is about winning and losing.



In the last decade, FSU won ACC titles in 2002, 2003 and 2005. In those three seasons, the Seminoles lost five games, three games and five games and still won the conference championship.



Lose like that in the Big 12, and you’re playing in a meaningless bowl game and eventually beholden to the future whims of conference bully Texas.



Fourteen straight years of national dominance by FSU has been followed by 11 years of irrelevance. That’s not an anomaly and it’s not cyclical. It’s a program that has reinvented itself by assimilating into its surroundings.



Now a bunch of cash is suddenly going to make everything better? Go ahead and get fat and happy by feeding at the Big 12 trough, FSU.
The slaughter is coming.
 
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