I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

[Frak]

Gol' dang, guys. This is Iowa State, and you want miracles in the first two seasons of the new staff? Absurd!

A Div. IA program is an edifice of a sort; to be strong and last for the ages, it must be built with a rock-solid foundation then one course at a time (imho, from a lifetime's observation of how this old world works).

The trenches are the key, as stated earlier here. You're not effective up front, you're dead. How many times has CPR said that the OLine is in transition? The other day, CW wrote that perhaps the 2011 class is the best one ever at Iowa State (is my memory correct?). It'll be a couple or three years before these guys dramatically impact the program.

If you're not patient in this game, if you go for the quick fix, the odds are great you'll fail. Patience. We have no other choice.

Judging Herman's abilities after just two seasons, with holdover guys, is unreasonable. The guy has a fine track record. So, if he's not getting it done yet at Iowa State, is the problem him, or is it the players he found here? The answer is obvious, at least to some of us.

I'm not saying that Herman needs to be gone yesterday. But if he ends up with the lowest scoring offense in the conference again in 2011, he's either going to be gone or at the very least on the hotseat for 2012. This fall, Herman will have had three recruiting classes to get "his guys" in there. And so far, after two years, there are zero catches among WRs and TEs that were brought in under Herman and zero passes among QBs. And zero starts among OLs. That's not exactly the best way to get "your players" in when your recruits aren't better than the guys already in the program.

Want Reason #1 why Jerome Tiller isn't going to be the starting QB in 2011? That's it. Does anyone REALLY think that Herman is going to stake his career on a Chizik recruit who has accuracy issues and reportedly doesn't take the position seriously enough? Really?

 

[CloneIce]

Gol' dang, guys. This is Iowa State, and you want miracles in the first two seasons of the new staff? Absurd!

I don't think expecting our OC to be more effective than Mcfarland with a much more experienced group is asking for miracles. Its just expecting the OC to be decent at his job, which I don't think this he has been particularly effective at these past two seasons.

 

[CyValley]

I'm not saying that Herman needs to be gone yesterday. But if he ends up with the lowest scoring offense in the conference again in 2011, he's either going to be gone or at the very least on the hotseat for 2012.

I agree with you about 2012. Herman's fourth year, and from this fall all QBs and RBs return, and the young OLinemen should be experienced enough (in their 3rd year in the program) to complete the transition. This staff's receivers will be in place, too.

(From the April 12 depth chart, the TE, all QBs and RBs, and 11 of the top 14 OLinemen are back for 2012, and seven of the top nine receivers, too).

This fall, Herman will have had three recruiting classes to get "his guys" in there. And so far, after two years, there are zero catches among WRs and TEs that were brought in under Herman and zero passes among QBs. And zero starts among OLs. That's not exactly the best way to get "your players" in when your recruits aren't better than the guys already in the program.

One or two years out of high school (me, I discount the first class, since it was a short cycle for a new staff), I won't demand the unreasonable and expect them to be ready for prime time. Solid program-building takes time, no way around it. To expect kids in their teens to do it at Iowa State is fool's gold, seems to me.

Want Reason #1 why Jerome Tiller isn't going to be the starting QB in 2011? That's it. Does anyone REALLY think that Herman is going to stake his career on a Chizik recruit who has accuracy issues and reportedly doesn't take the position seriously enough? Really?

Since I'm not an insider, I won't assume that I know the story about Tiller's current state of commitment and preparedness. From some spring reports here and there, Tiller is fully engaged now. Had a nice spring game. We'll see.

I don't make predictions about what will occur in the future because I refuse to assume I have enough information to make those judgments. (I'm not a seer, and I've never come across one.) But, that's me. Others will assume differently ;-)

 

[CyBroncos]

I don't think expecting our OC to be more effective than Mcfarland with a much more experienced group is asking for miracles. Its just expecting the OC to be decent at his job, which I don't think this he has been particularly effective at these past two seasons.

This. All i heard going into last season was "Herman put up much better numbers in year two at Rice." and how much better the offense was going to be since Herman had a year under his belt. Well that reasoning fell flat on its face. Now it's "well he hasn't had his recruits the first two years." Now that some of those guys are going to play and have been in the system at least a year, no more excuses, time to produce.

All I ask for starters is playcalling not as predictable as Barneyball, that would be a step in the right direction

 

[flycy]

Amen to that!

I don't know how anyone in their right mind cannot be questioning Tom Herman's abilities as of right now. We've done next to nothing offensively since he's been here.

The Iowa game was a complete joke of a display. The entire offense was curled up in the fetal position from the opening snap. Looked completely scared to death. That is... until Iowa put in their 3rd string defense.

Herman HAS to show something one of these years. We've been the worst offense in the Big 12 for a while now. It's embarrassing. I don't know why we run this style of offense if it doesn't produce. But I'm always told it will click one of these years when Herman gets all the guys he wants in there to run it. Ok... whatever.

I'm not overly optimistic given the fact that going into year 3 we still don't have a QB yet.

He has had one quarterback to work with, and a below average corp of receivers. Life and football call for far more patients and persistance than people seem to have these days. It is rare that a underclassman quarterback ever has sucess. When Texas Tech had its run of above average quarterback production, every guy put in was a redshirt Junior or Senior. It takes time to develop an offense when you don't start with the right building blocks.

 

[Wesley]

Time does not last forever. The offense needs to produce in the next two years. Otherwise, our recruiting will go downhill.

 

[Frak]

He has had one quarterback to work with, and a below average corp of receivers. Life and football call for far more patients and persistance than people seem to have these days. It is rare that a underclassman quarterback ever has sucess. When Texas Tech had its run of above average quarterback production, every guy put in was a redshirt Junior or Senior. It takes time to develop an offense when you don't start with the right building blocks.

I agree at QB. It's hard to throw an underclassman in there and it would be even harder to bench the team leader (not to mention a legacy and Ames native) in Arnaud. Thing is, Arnaud was good enough to win with.

It's much easier to play underclassmen at WR. A good WR can play right out of HS, not to mention that JUCO WRs should be ready to play right away. So far, Herman hasn't been able to unseat Chizik recruits Darks, Sed Johnson, Reynolds and walk-on Williams. That's a red flag for me. If the WR group is as bad as it seemed, it should be pretty easy to recruit over them. In fact, the only Herman/CPR recruit to really push those guys has been Horne, who they basically fell into. I have concerns about their WR eval.

 

[VeloClone]

Time does not last forever. The offense needs to produce in the next two years. Otherwise, our recruiting will go downhill.

Link?

 

[Tre4ISU]

I agree at QB. It's hard to throw an underclassman in there and it would be even harder to bench the team leader (not to mention a legacy and Ames native) in Arnaud. Thing is, Arnaud was good enough to win with.

It's much easier to play underclassmen at WR. A good WR can play right out of HS, not to mention that JUCO WRs should be ready to play right away. So far, Herman hasn't been able to unseat Chizik recruits Darks, Sed Johnson, Reynolds and walk-on Williams. That's a red flag for me. If the WR group is as bad as it seemed, it should be pretty easy to recruit over them. In fact, the only Herman/CPR recruit to really push those guys has been Horne, who they basically fell into. I have concerns about their WR eval.

West would have played last year had he not been hurt. I don't know that it's real fair to judge any position group evaluations when the staff has only had their first class on campus for less than a year. That seems a little bit unfair.

 

[synapticwave]

I agree at QB. It's hard to throw an underclassman in there and it would be even harder to bench the team leader (not to mention a legacy and Ames native) in Arnaud. Thing is, Arnaud was good enough to win with.

It's much easier to play underclassmen at WR. A good WR can play right out of HS, not to mention that JUCO WRs should be ready to play right away. So far, Herman hasn't been able to unseat Chizik recruits Darks, Sed Johnson, Reynolds and walk-on Williams. That's a red flag for me. If the WR group is as bad as it seemed, it should be pretty easy to recruit over them. In fact, the only Herman/CPR recruit to really push those guys has been Horne, who they basically fell into. I have concerns about their WR eval.

I disagree. A GREAT receiver can play right out of HS. Most WRs in the big12 do not play as Freshman.

If it were easy to recruit WRs to ISU then we would have at least had some NFL talent in the last 30 years. That's right, we haven't had a WR catch a single pass in the NFL in 30 years. If it were easy, one of our last 7 staffs would have gotten some talent right? I think there actually aren't that many really good WRs, and it is very difficult to recruit them to Ames. I think the staff knows this and recruits the best talent they have a reasonable chance to get and they try to go after some rough/unpolished guys that they can develop. I think that's why you don't see any of their recruits unseating Chiz's guys yet,

 

[sdcyfan]

BUMP....

After watching the replay, I don't think it is a talent issue with our offense. We have very capable players at all positions including offensive line and their backups. I have thought this for two years now and nothing has changed. Coach Herman and our offense really need to show us something different this year or I would hope CPR makes a change.

 

[IcSyU]

BUMP....

After watching the replay, I don't think it is a talent issue with our offense. We have very capable players at all positions including offensive line and their backups. I have thought this for two years now and nothing has changed. Coach Herman and our offense really need to show us something different this year or I would hope CPR makes a change.

Either
a) You know nothing about football or
b) you didn't watch that replay

There is NO way you could've watched that replay and figured that the offensive line was doing a quality job. None. They were AWFUL. Receivers were still jogging routes and not making any attempt to get separation (any receiver not named Lenz was guilty of this multiple times).

 

[Tre4ISU]

BUMP....

After watching the replay, I don't think it is a talent issue with our offense. We have very capable players at all positions including offensive line and their backups. I have thought this for two years now and nothing has changed. Coach Herman and our offense really need to show us something different this year or I would hope CPR makes a change.

I thought our offense was actually pretty well conceived against UNI. There were a lot of plays that just weren't executed.

 

[cyclonefreak5]

 

[sdcyfan]

Either
a) You know nothing about football or
b) you didn't watch that replay

There is NO way you could've watched that replay and figured that the offensive line was doing a quality job. None. They were AWFUL. Receivers were still jogging routes and not making any attempt to get separation (any receiver not named Lenz was guilty of this multiple times).

this is my problem. my opinion is that we have capable guys, like i said in my post, but we do not perform like we should. it is time to start looking at the coaching. i know we didn't play well on the oline, just saying we have capable guys there and yet the offense performance doesn't change. maybe another year of below average offense will change some of your minds. All of this falls back on Herman and that is who I'm calling out.

 

[wright4cy]

I was frustrated alot saturday .But it is way too early to start this .

 

[awd4cy]

I was frustrated alot saturday .But it is way too early to start this .

Exactly, so how bout we just put this thread in the closet and maybe wait to bring it out until late October.

 

[CyScoop]

Our offensive linemen routinely lost one on one battles against a d2 opponent. That doesn't happen because of our scheme or OC, and it sure as **** doesnt happen if we had quality players and backups at those positions.

 

[ruxCYtable]

Our offensive linemen routinely lost one on one battles against a d2 opponent. That doesn't happen because of our scheme or OC, and it sure as **** doesnt happen if we had quality players and backups at those positions.

For the millionth time, UNI is not D2. Please get it right because there IS a difference and it is a BIG difference.

 

[Tre4ISU]

this is my problem. my opinion is that we have capable guys, like i said in my post, but we do not perform like we should. it is time to start looking at the coaching. i know we didn't play well on the oline, just saying we have capable guys there and yet the offense performance doesn't change. maybe another year of below average offense will change some of your minds. All of this falls back on Herman and that is who I'm calling out.

This is my problem: Everyone goes directly to the coordinators. I look at it differently. When the Oline doesn't perform, that's on Bleil or the evaluation. Now, it is on Herman to evaluate Bleil, but IMO, if we are going to evaluate Herman, we have to look at the design and the playcalling. I thought both were very good Saturday. Things were open and we didn't execute. We didn't block well and that makes everything more difficult. I don't think Herman was the problem there.