Way too many JUCO transfers for McDermott
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Whatever the guy does he is wrong. There are no HS prospects left, what is he to do next year. We want him to win now so what else can he do? I have no problem with JUCOs. ISU has won in the past with them and Mac has done a better job evulating them than HS players.
Agree, no depth from high school players. Next year will look like MCD's first year, still doesn't have his own base of recruits.
CycloneErik
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It's late night Friday night. March Madness is on.
I think I'll complain that we recruit too many JUCO kids. That ought to say enough right there.
I think I'll complain that we recruit too many JUCO kids. That ought to say enough right there.
"The best thing about transfers is that their cars are already paid for."
Wrong the best part is they cannot transfer to any other DI school.
Well, his back is up against the wall... I'm not to sure how many 12th graders out there are ready to play some Big 12 basketball and contribute immediately. Especially any that are beating the door down to come and play ball at Iowa State. I'm not saying that GMAC needs to turn the team into a Juco farm. But right now he needs something, and something quick! And no matter what talent he gets, it's going to have some experience 1st.
CycloneErik
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Right.
If the OP had said, "This is a make or break year for Mac, and he's filling us with JUCOs instead of recruiting a foundation of young players," they'd have an interesting argument, and we could discuss the potential for massive player turnover under the next coach. That could be a real concern if next year doesn't go well, as in tournament well.
I like what you did there, went with the bold, yet non-descript statement. It was concise, yet oh so expansive with the endless directions this conversaition could go in. Sure, you could have offered some type of theory or factual basis, but in its simplicity, you have shown your true basketball genious. This post, sir, was a piece of art.
CycloneErik
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The words "concise, yet oh so expansive" remind me of Kottman's phrase "expansive yet concise." Did you take history classes from him?
That is what's frustrating. There's not much analysis needed, really, because the problem is painfully obvious to everyone with a set of eyes and clear mental capacity.
As you stated, we're heading into year 5 and we still don't have a solid base of talent from which to build. We're looking at (at least) 3 new starters, and not because we graduated a bunch from a successful team.
There was a lot of talk a few years ago about how McDermott was going to do this the "right way" and go after a solid base of 4-year talent. It was going to cost us in the short-term, but we would benefit in the following years when they were all juniors and seniors.
Here we are after 4 seasons, and Mac is scrambling to pick up a bunch of JUCOs late in the game. One of the things that excited me the most about the McDermott hiring was the thought that he would bring stability to the program. *shudders*
It's hard to get excited about the recruiting process at this point.
CycloneErik
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That is what's frustrating. There's not much analysis needed, really, because the problem is painfully obvious to everyone with a set of eyes and clear mental capacity.
As you stated, we're heading into year 5 and we still don't have a solid base of talent from which to build. We're looking at (at least) 3 new starters, and not because we graduated a bunch from a successful team.
There was a lot of talk a few years ago about how McDermott was going to do this the "right way" and go after a solid base of 4-year talent. It was going to cost us in the short-term, but we would benefit in the following years when they were all juniors and seniors.
Here we are after 4 seasons, and Mac is scrambling to pick up a bunch of JUCOs late in the game. One of the things that excited me the most about the McDermott hiring was the thought that he would bring stability to the program. *shudders*
It's hard to get excited about the recruiting process at this point.
I'm with you. Had the OP been worded like this, it wouldn't have inspired as much immediate sarcasm. It doesn't always work this way, but a well-reasoned post has a better chance than the fly-by few words thing.
It's obvious to most that it's a problem, but it's handy to explain what the problem can be.
I think we just might be sitting on a whole mass of instability regarding player turnover that could be worse than what we've seen to date with all this JUCO stuff, and the prospect of a coaching change next year.
The reality of the fact that McDermott is going to be here next year is starting to sink in for me. I don't like it, but I'm going to try not to fight it anymore. I am very very happy with the Wilkins commitment. ISU has had some good luck with Jucos who have three years of eligibility (Jiri Hubalek in MBB and Alvin Bowen in football come to mind). Plus, Tim Floyd took a team to the Sweet 16 that was made up almost entirely of Jucos and transfers.
I do wish McDermott could find a big man who won't get pushed around by the Cole Aldrich's of the Big 12. But then I look at Mizzou and they seem to function pretty well with a bunch of slender 6'8" power forwards. Their style of play gives those types of bigs an advantage and I'm not so sure we have the guards to play that style. For the last few years, it seems that we've been a messed up hybrid of UNI-style guards and Mizzou-style big men. Hopefully Phillips will be the Mizzou-style guard that we've been missing since Taylor got the boot.
I've also decided to get behind McDermott if he somehow finds a way to win 20 games next year. That's my barometer. He's (hopefully) got four seniors next year in Garrett (four-year starter), JVB (shooter), Dendy (underrated) and Boozer (solid sixth man). Phillips and Wilkins look to be good Juco pickups. Christopherson should be coming off the bench next year (I hope) and he could be very effective in that role. We've heard good things about Bubu. Next year's team has the potential to be a good sleeper team. Mizzou and KSU were the surprise teams this year. ISU absolutely could be a surprise team next year. And for me, it will need to be for McDermott to keep his job.
I do wish McDermott could find a big man who won't get pushed around by the Cole Aldrich's of the Big 12. But then I look at Mizzou and they seem to function pretty well with a bunch of slender 6'8" power forwards. Their style of play gives those types of bigs an advantage and I'm not so sure we have the guards to play that style. For the last few years, it seems that we've been a messed up hybrid of UNI-style guards and Mizzou-style big men. Hopefully Phillips will be the Mizzou-style guard that we've been missing since Taylor got the boot.
I've also decided to get behind McDermott if he somehow finds a way to win 20 games next year. That's my barometer. He's (hopefully) got four seniors next year in Garrett (four-year starter), JVB (shooter), Dendy (underrated) and Boozer (solid sixth man). Phillips and Wilkins look to be good Juco pickups. Christopherson should be coming off the bench next year (I hope) and he could be very effective in that role. We've heard good things about Bubu. Next year's team has the potential to be a good sleeper team. Mizzou and KSU were the surprise teams this year. ISU absolutely could be a surprise team next year. And for me, it will need to be for McDermott to keep his job.
We hadn't hit the quota for today's 'Mac problem is _____' thread. Thanks to the OP, we're one step closer.
CycloneErik
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It's actually turned into a coherent thread, though, thanks to some folks making some pretty well-reasoned posts.
Kottman, Carver 101 lecture for History 201 in 1991, I think. That guy had an incredible memory, freaked me out once when I went to check a test score.
Sorry, nothing constructive to add to the thread :smile:
Like it's probably already been mentioned, at this point I'd rather go get some juco than pick up the left over project high school recruits...and yea we probably do t have to worry about juco leaving either lol
