I edited late...stop struggling. I'm not trying to argue...based on your initial post I thought he was only over by a yard, so I mentioned an old rule (that may be NFL or college, I honestly don't know) about a buffer zone where the OL doesn't get called for that penalty. Again, no matter...
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I edited late...stop struggling. I'm not trying to argue...based on your initial post I thought he was only over by a yard, so I mentioned an old rule (that may be NFL or college, I honestly don't know) about a buffer zone where the OL doesn't get called for that penalty. Again, no matter...
Simply because I have "hawk" in my username? Please...find a post in this thread or in any thread I've ever posted in on this board and please inform me where I've been trolling.
Actually don't...I enjoy a good X's and O's discussion so it would be detrimental to this thread to discuss it here.
CycloneErik
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Yeah, I did jump to a conclusion. I suppose I am going to have to stop doing that now that we are getting an Ankney pipeline going.
Quoting this because I hadn't realized WartKnight had posted the pic because he edited his original post.
This does look like the Dart play as I know it. Then, as you described earlier, you could take that RB and continue him on his path to fill for the pulling OT and the OT leads the QB up through the hole (essentially replacing the RB's path in the drawing).
Good stuff.
**Edit - Crap...apparently the pic isn't coming through when quoted.
**Edit #2 - Ok...I guess it is!
My guess is its tough to challenge the corner with our 5'7"-5'9" receivers... he did last year to reynolds alot, hes actually really good at throwing that back shoulder pass, but theres nobody big and strong enough to fight off the coverage to make that a good play... Maybe tiller or brundrage when he's in... I think we need to almost always have at least 1 of the bigger receivers in the game...
On the ineligible receiver call, I know the HS rule, and I think the college game is similar, in fact I think the college rule may be 3 yards if engaged with a defender.
the HS rule-
The rules allow for offensive players to immediately make contact with defensive linemen and drive
them no more than two yards beyond the line of scrimmage (7‐5‐11b). This is considered legitimate
action at the snap and not pass interference. It is also not a violation of the rule prohibiting ineligible
Team A players from being downfield if they are not more than two yards beyond the line of scrimmage.
the HS rule-
The rules allow for offensive players to immediately make contact with defensive linemen and drive
them no more than two yards beyond the line of scrimmage (7‐5‐11b). This is considered legitimate
action at the snap and not pass interference. It is also not a violation of the rule prohibiting ineligible
Team A players from being downfield if they are not more than two yards beyond the line of scrimmage.
I was wondering if anyone had a take on what we were doing right on the 3rd quarter drive that converted into a touchdown. Looking at the drive summary (other than Steele's 21 yard scamper), we broke off runs of, 14,8,7,5,4,4. Seemed as though we were really moving the ball well on the ground. I believe this was the two back set we were seeing with Johnson and White?
I was out getting concessions with my daughter at that point so I would be very interested in other's takes as well. I caught bits and pieces, along with the score. I think ISU was using more misdirection. Surprised as well as it worked that we didn't use more of it.
I think this is the most consistent comment on the TT game.
While reading all the Xs and O stuff is fun, it doesn't matter what offense the coaches call if the play that is given by the defensive set can't be executed.
Fifteen pass plays mid way throught the 4th quarter will not win Big 12 games. If we don't call pass plays because we can't execute, give the next guy in line a chance. What do you have to lose when it was clear (after the 4th turnover) that what we were doing was going to result in a loss.
IIRC i think they were mainly sweeps to the outside (not sure if we were pulling anybody or not). I think they actually ran the same play back to back a couple times. I do remember on the 14 yarder White was looking for someone to block and ended up not really blocking anyone.
This was a huge reason why i was ticked we kept running the plays they were expecting us to run. I felt like we caught em off guard.
I've posted it at least once in this thread but I'll recap. We were running out of the pistol and also a 2 back set with Shontrelle and Nealy and Shontrelle and White. Both were successful especially the 2 back set. Nealy was lined up the left of Jantz and Shontrelle to the right. Shontrelle was taking the handoff and running to the left side of the line and following the lead blocks by Nealy.
We seemed to abandon it after that drive and I still want to know why.
My theory remains that his reading the zone is not so bad as his ability to get to the line and hit a hole. He is slower than JB. He is playing with the ball so deep in the backfield and he is bigger than the RBs that the defenders are seeing what is going to happen. JB and SR are more shifty. SJ is a passer being forced to look like a runner.
Seeing this thread, Mess has some deep consultation to do. Maybe we are not good enough yet so we have to do what the defense allows. Is that not what we were told we would do pre season? After three dud offensive games in last five, we should have a grand plan to make adjustments on how the defense takes the field.
Supposedly he was across the line by half a yard and within the two yard allowed zone. Bad ref call.
I'm pretty sure the college rule gives the 2 yards as long as the OL is engaged in a block. That was the part I was curious about.
especially on how quick that throw was. you expect me to believe the center was "downfield" on that quick fade?
1) Mess isn't going to read this crap.
2) The defense was jumping around plaing A gap, center/guard , head up on tackle, with Lber stack.
the KEY is the tackle, slant in OT takes him lber crashes JANTZ RUNS.
OT PROTECTS OUTSIDE, OG TAKES SLANTING TACKLE, DL IN GAP #91 SHOOTS STRAIGHT AHEAD FORCES JANTZ TO RUN OR GET SACKED.
3) solution put two HB's in for MASS protection pass block, linemen block all inside gaps,
RB has pass block 1st, no one come after a 3 count then
read DHB if he goes deep or inside run wheel route, if he's in zone
quick curl in opne space get what you can.
Keeps lber soft at home gives Qb more time.
Db's can't stay with you for very long in press coverage if Qb get time receiver will get loose.
4) With two backs in more power plays, B-flat bootleg pass, Screens.
I fully agree with you Architect. In fact, CPR was asked directly about this in the monday night call-in show. His answer was something to the effect that ".. well they made adjustments" but it really sounded like he didn't have an answer. He's not the type to go throw someone under the bus especially when your not sure but how did you know they adjusted to it if you never tried it again.
I really would like to see a lot more of the two back set. 1) it gives you many more options out of the same set. you can run the two backs with one blocking, fake one one way and give to the other or even run the option the second direction, or you can have more pass protection on deep plays 2) RB is arguably one of our most talented / deep position and the more they are in the game the better 3) it seems to offer quick hitting runs with less Steele having to make a read
Appreciate those who are offering knowledge here, I watch a ton of football but am not an expert disecting plays and knowing who did what and why.
One question that I had was our RB's seemed to recognize the blitz and attempt to pick it up but I noticed a lot of the time the back would dive for the defenders legs. I realize that a RB trying to block a DE/DT one on one using the same technique as a OL would isnt going to work because of the size. However it seemed that many times the defender knew the RB was going to dive so they would just jump over the diving back and basically have an open path to the QB.
Are there other options or better technique that RB's can use to try to slow these guys down?
One question that I had was our RB's seemed to recognize the blitz and attempt to pick it up but I noticed a lot of the time the back would dive for the defenders legs. I realize that a RB trying to block a DE/DT one on one using the same technique as a OL would isnt going to work because of the size. However it seemed that many times the defender knew the RB was going to dive so they would just jump over the diving back and basically have an open path to the QB.
Are there other options or better technique that RB's can use to try to slow these guys down?
