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cyfanatic

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Well, I agree with the ripoff part, but I would disagree that OS X doesn't function well. The jiggling icons are off the rail..

Not to derail the thread completely...but I made the switch to Linux (Mint variations) last spring and can't see myself going back to Windows again in terms of home computers. Anyone who really misses the "start" button on Windows 8 should give Linux Mint a look...you can do so without installing it onto your computer rather easily (run it from a CD or flash drive).
 

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Not to derail the thread completely...but I made the switch to Linux (Mint variations) last spring and can't see myself going back to Windows again in terms of home computers.

Same here for my home computers, except I'm using Ubuntu. However, I'm sure that work will always be stuck on Windows, so I've got to keep up with what's going on with it...
 

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Same here for my home computers, except I'm using Ubuntu. However, I'm sure that work will always be stuck on Windows, so I've got to keep up with what's going on with it...

Yep...same situation here. Really enjoy digging through different Linux stuff...but I always comeback to Mint.
 

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And what is so difficult about moving your mouse to the top right corner and using "search" to find your program? Or the pinned shortcut to your C drive?

What was so hard and bad about just clicking the start menu and having access to any and all things you need categorized neatly where they belong? Windows 8 was a train wreck.
 

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Yep...same situation here. Really enjoy digging through different Linux stuff...but I always comeback to Mint.

Yeah, I use a lot of mint at home, but i just can't stop using windows... Being a keyboard power-user, i don't really have a problem with either as i can navigate completely around either with nothing but the keyboard (especially after downloading windows power shell).

BTW -> i'm definitely a power user and I LOVE windows 8. It's just different in a good way. Before windows 8, we haven't really had anyone try something "completely" different in an OS in a long time (probably back to the original Mac OSs like OS 7). And don't even get me started on Mac OSX... it marked the end of the "old" Mac which was a bad thing.
 

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Work still has me on XP - so at that rate I'll give a review of Windows 10 in 2024.

Um, dude, that is a MAJOR security risk if you're not running it in an embedded mode. You need to tell them to get that updated ASAP. If you have software that only runs on XP, you can virtualize it via Virtual Box, Virtual PC, etc. But NO ONE should be running XP unless absolutely necessary (and that computer should NOT be connected to the internet).
 

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Um, dude, that is a MAJOR security risk if you're not running it in an embedded mode. You need to tell them to get that updated ASAP. If you have software that only runs on XP, you can virtualize it via Virtual Box, Virtual PC, etc. But NO ONE should be running XP unless absolutely necessary (and that computer should NOT be connected to the internet).

A lot of places still run XP. The company I am at is very slowly rolling out 7 now. Last year we were just happy to go from Lotus Notes to Outlook.
 

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A lot of places still run XP. The company I am at is very slowly rolling out 7 now. Last year we were just happy to go from Lotus Notes to Outlook.

Yeah, i know... but they shouldn't be... if you have any sort of an IT department that is competent (or forward thinking management), that should have been completed about 2 years ago.

And i feel very sorry for you to have to use Lotus Notes for that long... I have a very big love / hate relationship with outlook. It pretty much rules my life now -> but some of their decisions are so stupid like ctrl+F is not "Find".. WTF? From what i read, we can thank Mr. Gates for that one as he wanted it to be "Forward" instead.

<edit> I don't want to throw the IT dept under the buss (I work in IT), i know sometimes it's not their fault, but with all the security breaches in today's day and age, it should be a major concern / priority to keep up-to-date on this sort of thing </edit>
 

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Yeah, i know... but they shouldn't be... if you have any sort of an IT department that is competent (or forward thinking management), that should have been completed about 2 years ago.

And i feel very sorry for you to have to use Lotus Notes for that long... I have a very big love / hate relationship with outlook. It pretty much rules my life now -> but some of their decisions are so stupid like ctrl+F is not "Find".. WTF? From what i read, we can thank Mr. Gates for that one as he wanted it to be "Forward" instead.

Yeah I think it is mostly management not wanting to spend the money upgrading thousands of computers at once.
 

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Today i used the calculator, notepad, word, excel, internet, Labview, Kinect SDK, adobe, etc. I can't pin that many and it's annoying to have to search for the calculator in the app section.

Plus, Labview generated about 50 apps that completely make the app page useless.

So use Excel for your calculations and Word for everything that you would do in notepad. Boom...problem solved.

:jimlad:
 

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Yeah, I use a lot of mint at home, but i just can't stop using windows... Being a keyboard power-user, i don't really have a problem with either as i can navigate completely around either with nothing but the keyboard (especially after downloading windows power shell).

BTW -> i'm definitely a power user and I LOVE windows 8. It's just different in a good way. Before windows 8, we haven't really had anyone try something "completely" different in an OS in a long time (probably back to the original Mac OSs like OS 7). And don't even get me started on Mac OSX... it marked the end of the "old" Mac which was a bad thing.

Do you/have you used any other distro's based on Linux? Any you particularly like?
 

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Do you/have you used any other distro's based on Linux? Any you particularly like?


Yeah, I've used a LOT of other distros (started playing around with Linux in college). Lately, I've pretty much stuck with Mint but will admit ubuntu is doing some good things as well.

I used to try out lots of distos, but not as much any more as i don't have a lot of time (hence why i use windows as my main OS -> it always "just works"). But my laptop dual boots into Mint / Windows 7. I haven't figured out if Mint runs on my surface pro yet (probably will never try it -> windows 8 rocks on that thing). I actually just threw away a lot of my old burnt distro ISOs (I even had a lot of Ubuntu DVDs from back when they would mail them to you for free).

A couple of distros I've tried within the last year or so (mostly just the big ones any more on spare desktops):
* CentOS
* Mint
* Ubuntu
* Fedora
* Puppy (Slacko)
 

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I am actually starting to like Windows 8 - I think people are just reluctant to change - They ***** and moan instead of trying it out.

I've been using it for nearly a year now on my laptop, and my opinion remains the same. It works well for touch screens (which I don't have), people who have smart phones (I just got one last March), people who use apps & icons (I don't, much), people who game, stream, yadda yadda (nope & nope), and people who respond to visual images rather than lists (that's another no for me).

I function well with lists. I understand that many people like new & shiny, and I upgrade as much as I can...but couldn't they have supported two different OS's...one for the tech savvy and a more streamlined one for those who don't need the extraneous bells & whistles? Why not support both 7 & 8?
 

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It's probably by design that it's like that. If you look at their release version numbers, it's:

Windows 7NT 6.1
Windows VistaNT 6.0
Windows XPNT 5.1
Windows 2000NT 5.0
Windows 98
NT 4.1
Windows 95
NT 4.00










It looks like Windows 8/8.1/10 are still following 6.2, 6.3, 6.4 version numbers, but it seemed like Windows 8 was just Windows 7 that they tried to make it Xbox/Tablet friendly. They're almost releasing an earlier version so that they can just fix the bugs and call it a different OS.

Windows 95 and 98 were not part of the Windows NT tree. They (and Me) were the tail end of the consumer Windows 3.1 tree.

There actually was a Windows NT 3, 3.51, and 4 prior to Windows 2000 and that tree of OS's were meant for businesses rather than consumer use.
 

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Windows 95 and 98 were not part of the Windows NT tree. They (and Me) were the tail end of the consumer Windows 3.1 tree.

There actually was a Windows NT 3, 3.51, and 4 prior to Windows 2000 and that tree of OS's were meant for businesses rather than consumer use.

And THANK GOD microsoft made the decision to merge those two windows cores, makes everything a LOT easier now :)
 

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And THANK GOD microsoft made the decision to merge those two windows cores, makes everything a LOT easier now :)

Absolutely. It's great to have consumer cruft and various other garbage in the OS that you need to run business applications on. :jimlad:
 

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Absolutely. It's great to have consumer cruft and various other garbage in the OS that you need to run business applications on. :jimlad:

OK... specifics on the "other garbage"? And your IT dept can pretty much strip out anything they want to when creating the images for the drives.. I'll take this any day over the pain it was making sure you had x or y or z installed in NT 4 or Win 2k back in the day. Back then, it took work for devs to make their apps work on both the NT core and the consumer core.

Now, it's just one platform to target (well unless we count windows 8 "modern" vs non-modern... i understand why MS did this, but it still probably wasn't the best idea)