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I think that game manager is a poor description. He's definitely a gamer and a leader. If he took a bag and left, we'd definitely miss that in the program. That said, he's been a little bit of a pick six merchant. There was one against KSU that should have been a pick six and another couple that should have at least been interceptions. He's really inconsistent on short passes and can lack some touch (too many 7 yard fastballs). I don't know if he's overly confident in his arm or if he just doesn't see the field well. When he's on, he's a mirror image of Purdy. When he's off, it's not pretty. And usually both are happening in the same game. I don't know about anyone else, but when it came to crunch time vs KSU, I was hoping he'd tuck the ball and run and not throw it, because it probably wasn't going to end well.

If a team is stacking the box against our OL when we have 2 all conference type WRs, that tells me that they don't really respect Rocco and are counting on him to put the ball up for grabs.
Rocco is a gamer, no doubt about it. My observation is that he can pull the trigger quicker than anyone I've ever seen. But, his size forces him to use passing lanes more. Thus, his occasional side-arm mechanics. Still not something to worry about, but an observation I see is teams scheming against it (observe tall pass rushes imposed by other teams). His pick sixes, imo, are more due to lack of field vision (due to size) combined with the narrow passing lanes. This is evidenced by KSU LB drifting into the passing lane at the last moment on several plays on Saturday. Sprinkle in a few bad throws and I see why some are less than concerned if he leaves. Nevertheless, he knows this system. He's comfortable with these players. And, again, he's a gamer. I know it takes time to meld with players. Jumping from team to team is a mindset of ego and $$$ moreso than the reality of becoming a better player. My gut opinion is Rocco and his dad are built on integrity and that, on the outside chance, Sr. Becht gets the WV job, Rocco still stays at ISU.
 

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If Rocco has aspirations of an NFL career, wouldn't it makes sense to finish in Ames under Campbell as opposed to going to WV? FWIW, I think Rocco will stay anyway.
 

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Agreed... and that's the part that's harder to judge. Now, I guess the tricky part is it's hard to say someone whose not out there much doesn't have XYZ etc... but that is indeed the tricky part to judge. Hopefully its not something that has to be decided. Although reality also is, sadly, especially at that position, IDK how often anymore you are going to be in situations where kids are willing to sit for 3-4 years to play if they feel like they aren't going to move up the depth chart. In days gone past, that would simply not be a conversation. But in todays world with the portal and etc... IDK. That's the one position that's still really hard to get more than 1 guy on the field at . Maybe center on the OL or like kicker is tough but even there, we've seen Gilbert, Perkins and Konrady all play I think every game? And Shackelford kicks off, I think or used to. So even there, 4 guys play. So maybe Center and QB... especially the later IDK how many times you'll see the old standard of a 4th year junior getting his first start whose been in the program all 4 years.

In modern college football, that position... IDK. I think that's going to become very rare
That safety left me wondering. I'm not sure if this is Purdy instinct, but under pressure, Purdy almost always recognizes it early and 'rolls' one side or the other. Just an amazing talent. Johnson had a rollout on that play, but inexplicably turned the other way. And worse yet, against his throwing arm. These situations I see Rocco usually making the right decision in. These types of plays, imo, are what gamers are made out of.
 

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If Rocco has aspirations of an NFL career, wouldn't it makes sense to finish in Ames under Campbell as opposed to going to WV? FWIW, I think Rocco will stay anyway.
I don't think playing your final 2 years under Anthony Becht (even if he is Rocco's dad) can really hurt your NFL chances.
 

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See, here's the thing.

Athletically and from a purely physical gift / tool set? Yes. I think if you could find a way to just simply break down who has a stronger arm, a little more fluidity in the hips when it comes to running / escapability etc - sure. Based on the small sample size, Moberly is probably more gifted there.

HOWEVER... and this is a huge however... the other stuff is also critical. The leadership, poise, grit, toughness, yes I know they are kinda the same thing but also kinda different IMO, are all things that Rocco has in spades. I'm not saying Moberly doesn't possess those things as well, he might, but IDK. That's where it gets tricky when saying oh the back ups better. Not just at QB but any position and it gets magnified as does most everything else when talking QB's. Its kinda like Beau in a sense. Beau's shoulder from reports is so banged up that he more or less is playing with one functioning arm. Now, is a safety with two arms or who can lead with both shoulders "technically" better in terms of physical traits? Sure. Kinda like Verdon with two healthy hands is better than Verdon with one hand in a cast.

But those guys all have a leadership, toughness and grit that makes it hard to say replacing them is easy and in fact its very hard to do as we've seen defensively , at least in season. When you have a whole off-season to prepare the replacement, then it becomes, in theory, slightly easier. In theory.

If you gave me the choice of keeping either Big Citrus or Rocco or Verdon or Rocco... I'm probably leaning Big Citrus / Verdon. Simply because we've seen the defense carry the team before, hell, the defense darn near carried us to a bowl game in 2022.


That's not a knock on Rocco. And maybe Moberly would be able to lead and do these things, IDK. But Rocco's an incredible gamer / competitor and leader. And while physically there maybe more skilled people out there, those traits are like a strong arm or elite speed. Not everyone has them. And we've seen the last two years that you combine good enough physical traits with elite intangibles , and you get good results.
Exactly.

I don't get how people think anyone here is hating on Rocco. I think you all are devaluing what winning and maintaining a starting QB spot means.

1)I said he's the unquestioned starter. I even went so far as to say he's earned the right to steer the ship for the duration of his time at ISU. That's goal #1 for any quarterback, a goal that countless more athletically gifted quarterbacks NEVER acheive. To me, that's the highest compliment as a football player. To maximize your ability with your work ethic, your character, and preparation.

2) And like @stewart092284 said, it's a quality you can't quantify until you see it. You don't just give it away to try something new when you see it. But we simply have no way of knowing if we have other guys behind him that have it to until we are forced to know.

3) it's almost like you are rooting for us to have nothing behind Rocco. That's NEVER a good place to be. Now and in the future. All we are saying is the QB position has been overall really good under Campbell, and we are in safe hands no matter what. You guys do realize how bad we were at that spot not very long ago?
 

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I've never met Anthony, but we have a mutual friend. I was told there was interest on both sides.

That said, after the last five years, WVU is hungry for a proven winner. I think Anthony will get due consideration, but they will go with an experienced college coach.
 

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You are correct! And mountaineer nation hated him. Some still do. Yet, how long ago was that? You have to imagine being fired at michigan after gutting their roster and not being given a year 4 to cash in, being fired at az for sexual harassment, having his son almost die after a football game in front of his eyes, and being exiled to Jacksonville State has taught him humility.
I think if I was a WVU fan I'd be more concerned that he was a complete trainwreck at Michigan. I'm sure they would've been better in year 4 like they were under Hoke, but that turnaround was 100% due to Mattison's defense, which doesn't happen if Rich Rod is there.

He was hit and miss at Arizona.
 

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I think if I was a WVU fan I'd be more concerned that he was a complete trainwreck at Michigan. I'm sure they would've been better in year 4 like they were under Hoke, but that turnaround was 100% due to Mattison's defense, which doesn't happen if Rich Rod is there.

He was hit and miss at Arizona.
I don't see RichRod working out for the mountaineers.
 

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I think if I was a WVU fan I'd be more concerned that he was a complete trainwreck at Michigan. I'm sure they would've been better in year 4 like they were under Hoke, but that turnaround was 100% due to Mattison's defense, which doesn't happen if Rich Rod is there.

He was hit and miss at Arizona.
So, Holgo it is.
 
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I do not understand the Rocco hate. At all. Anyone in that group is nuts.
I don't hate Rocco. He's fine.

But neither do I think he's some great QB and gush over him or think that simply because he holds records. Records are great. But does anyone think that Bill Russell is the greatest basketball player ever? Is AJ McCarron the greatest Alabama quarterback? Or Mac Jones? One is all time yardage, the other is completion percentage. I think most of us would probably say we'd rather have Tua, Milroe, Hurts, or for the older generation, Stabler / Namath. Similarly, leading a game winning drive, while great, doesn't entirely erase whatever part you played in needing a game winning drive.

Maybe I'm just an odd duck but I believe its alright to both praise someone's strengths but also acknowledge their short comings at the same time
 

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I know NIL is AD independent, but we all know it's not really. That aside, they just dumped $9 mil to fire Brown. And any initial contract for a coach with no D1 coaching experience is going to be conservative at best. Therefore, I'm guessing WV NIL won't be throwing money around like it's water. Just an opinion, but one that seems most logical.
Wren Baker said he would not fire neal brown, unless he had the resources lined up to ensure WVU could compete for conference titles. So, Ken Kedrick, the billionaire owner of the arz diamondbacks and a 100 million dollar baseball card collection, had to be on board.

I doubt Kendrick would cut that check unless he would cut another one that puts the new coach in a good position to restore WVU to where it has historically been--a top 25 program.

Kendrick as an owner of a sports franchise, likely knows a good coach when he sees one. And he is onboard clamoring for a rrod return.

no matter the coach, but especially if its rrod who will gut the roster, next season will be rough.
 
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I watched the ISU v Kstate game, in which ISU out-toughed Kstate.
goldilocks has been a huge disappointment. he is very talented, but soft. I saw numerous times this year where an easy 1st down was there if he used his legs, but i dont think he likes taking the hits.
 
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I just imagine moving from Tampa area to Morgantown and that's the last thing I'd want to do

My wife went to high school in Palm Harbor, which is one of the northerly suburbs of St. Pete. Rocco is from Wesley Chapel, which is much further inland and much more of an exurb than suburb...

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Once you are that far away from the water, Florida takes on demographic and socioeconomic characteristics that would remind you much more of West Virginia than what you might normally think about in an affluent area like Tampa dominated by northern transplants and more recent immigrants.

"West Virginia with fewer mountains and more gators" isn't too far off the mark. One of my wife's friends from medical school bought a cheap farm in the area for her horses, if that's any indication.

I don't think Morgantown would be too much of a culture shock for Rocco.
 

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I'm weird, but I'd much rather live in West Virginia than Florida. Especially in a community like Morgantown which is more insulated from the downside of living in West Virginia.
Property values are plummeting on the west coast of Florida, which is "just now" realizing they are just as vulnerable to a Katrina as new Orleans.

Fun fact. In late 1950's a 1700 foot wave hit Alaska, with devastating consequences. Studies show, had a wave that size hit Florida, moving east to west, the entire state would die.
 
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My wife went to high school in Palm Harbor, which is one of the northerly suburbs of St. Pete. Rocco is from Wesley Chapel, which is much further inland and much more of an exurb than suburb...

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Once you are that far away from the water, Florida takes on demographic and socioeconomic characteristics that would remind you much more of West Virginia than what you might normally think about in an affluent area like Tampa dominated by northern transplants and more recent immigrants.

"West Virginia with fewer mountains and more gators" isn't too far off the mark. One of my wife's friends from medical school bought a cheap farm in the area for her horses, if that's any indication.

I don't think Morgantown would be too much of a culture shock for Rocco.
Let's not forget that his mom is from a small West Virginia town and I'm pretty sure that a bunch of his family still lives there. Rocco's next exactly unfamiliar with WV.
 
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My wife went to high school in Palm Harbor, which is one of the northerly suburbs of St. Pete. Rocco is from Wesley Chapel, which is much further inland and much more of an exurb than suburb...

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Once you are that far away from the water, Florida takes on demographic and socioeconomic characteristics that would remind you much more of West Virginia than what you might normally think about in an affluent area like Tampa dominated by northern transplants and more recent immigrants.

"West Virginia with fewer mountains and more gators" isn't too far off the mark. One of my wife's friends from medical school bought a cheap farm in the area for her horses, if that's any indication.

I don't think Morgantown would be too much of a culture shock for Rocco.
I'm more or less saying, Anthony Becht hypothetically taking a job at WVU (I understand he's an alum and has ties there)...sure outside of Tampa might resemble parts of West Virginia, but the warmth and sunshine is an added benefit I'm sure