Weird call at the end of the game

[SEIOWA CLONE]

That’s a good question, but what could they really review? Once the timeout is granted is a dead ball so anything that happens after it doesn’t count. In the end I think they made the right a call, a stupid one, but the right one.

To see or hear when the ref blows his whistle for the timeout. You can clearly see in the replay that the player is in the air when he called timeout, which is illegal. Go look at the video, make sure that is what happened. Then say it was an illegal timeout and its ISU basketball.

 

[Jayshellberg]

That was far worse than I remembered. Gabe took his time picking up the ball, but was far from "stalling". The ref also appears to blow his whistle before 5 seconds anyway. He literally gave about 3 seconds to get the ball in.

Despite the early count, I think the ball was inbounded before five seconds. The ball clearly left Gabe’s hands before five seconds. Not sure if your teammate has to touch the ball within five seconds or you just need to get the pass off within five seconds. Maybe someone else knows for sure.

 

[Cyclones125]

IMO, both of the last games have been really poorly officiated, objectively on both ends. Jay Bilas talked at length about the poor officiating all across college basketball last weekend, although I think he focused more on player movement being impeded and the defense not being called for obvious fouls, but overall it's as bad as it's ever been.

Iowa State has benefited off lack of calls on impeding player movement… that is literally our defense. The brutally bad calls have not favored us however.

 

[twincyties]

Despite the early count, I think the ball was inbounded before five seconds. The ball clearly left Gabe’s hands before five seconds. Not sure if your teammate has to touch the ball within five seconds or you just need to get the pass off within five seconds. Maybe someone else knows for sure.

It only has to leave the inbounder’s hand. But game clock does not start until someone from either team touches it.

 

[isutrevman]

Basketball officiating has always been tough. Fouls are subjective. We hated the Niang block/charge against Kansas and the Aaron Craft block/charge against Clyburn. But, at least those are subjective calls and I can see how a ref could miss them, even if it's still wrong. Those are tough to make.

This season, it seems like refs are missing blatant non-subjective calls consistently every game. Multiple crucial goal tends, clock issues, 5 second call issues, travel calls, overturning a Grill 3 and calling it a 2 after reviewing on replay only for numerous photos after the game showing it was clearly a 3. Choosing not to review certain plays. These are not normal mistakes we're used to seeing.

Officiating has been brutal this year. Even Blum is calling it out almost every game.

 

[CyCloned]

Horrible call, but instead of huddling up for 10 minutes, how come they never came over and watched the replay? They have sound on those replays, so they could tell, when the office blows his whistle and clearly see the KSU player had control and was falling out of bounce when he signaled for the timeout which is illegal.

Hopefully the league reminds all officials about the rules this week, and chews the crew for calling it wrong, not looking a the tape, and then after talking, making the wrong call in the end.

This is what I was wondering. As far as I saw they never went to the monitor, so what the heck were they talking about for 7 minutes?

 

[Cyclone06]

That was far worse than I remembered. Gabe took his time picking up the ball, but was far from "stalling". The ref also appears to blow his whistle before 5 seconds anyway. He literally gave about 3 seconds to get the ball in.

I don’t have a problem with starting when he did because it was too obvious of a stall. But the four count is appalling.

 

[Tlyon]

To see or hear when the ref blows his whistle for the timeout. You can clearly see in the replay that the player is in the air when he called timeout, which is illegal. Go look at the video, make sure that is what happened. Then say it was an illegal timeout and its ISU basketball.

But you can’t award the ball to Iowa State if K-State has the ball when on a dead ball is called. The ref awarding the timeout is subjective. The K-State player was calling for time before he had full possession, so the official could award it once he get possession. It’s like in football if a ref wrongly calls a player out of bounds and they continue and he fumbles. That fumble doesn’t count and they can’t review it because the play was called dead before. It’s ticky tacky but there’s no continuation. And while the timeout is not legal it’s not like it’s a technical if they do it, the refs are just not supposed to award it.

 

[BCClone]

Uhhh what?

If this was the case refs would never get together to determine what the right call is i.e block vs. charge. SMH

He called a dead ball, so it’s either a timeout out inadvertent whistle. Can figure that out in 10-15 seconds. Now, nice job in altering my post to change the meaning of it. That generally happens when the person knows that have lost (like the incompetent refs did also) and need to find cover. Not SMH. Laugh my ass off at you.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

But you can’t award the ball to Iowa State if K-State has the ball when on a dead ball is called. The ref awarding the timeout is subjective. The K-State player was calling for time before he had full possession, so the official could award it once he get possession. It’s like in football if a ref wrongly calls a player out of bounds and they continue and he fumbles. That fumble doesn’t count and they can’t review it because the play was called dead before. It’s ticky tacky but there’s no continuation. And while the timeout is not legal it’s not like it’s a technical if they do it, the refs are just not supposed to award it.

I get what you are saying, but two wrongs should not make it right. Officials change calls all the time, go look at the video, then call it correctly. The ref did not signal a timeout until the KSU player was in the air, calling a timeout. So it was a live ball situation when he tried to call the timeout, even though a player may not call a timeout as he is falling out of bounce. The ref could have easily reversed his call after watching the video and awarded the ball to ISU.

The call they made was totally gutless and they should be held accountable for it by the league. Refs are taught to let the play, playout and watch the video to correct the call if need be, this ref did none of that, and should be fined and miss a game or two because of his ruling.

 

[Texbudman]

You do not count out loud.

Thanks

 

[davegilbertson]

I'm not usually one to bash the refs but that call, the final foul on Gabe, the 5 second calls, and the foul calls that put Nowell at the line were all pretty weak. Really poor officiating down the stretch

Nowell actually hooked Jaz, but they let him get away with it because he's 5'4"

 

[Cyclonepride]

They used to award flying timeouts, but I haven't seen them grant one for years. I think there must have been an adjustment to the rules or something, because they just quit allowing it. Except for today.

 

[davegilbertson]

Technical garbage going on in here.

Player collects ball, is falling out of bounds, jumps, calls timeout in air, whistle, lands.

You are not allowed to call timeouts while flying out of air, ISU ball.

Was this "technically" an inadvertent whistle? Maybe? But the spirit of inadvertent whistle is it impeded the regular action of the game unfairly to the advantage of one team. Reset possession.

In this instance, KSU did not try to call timeout because of an inadvertent whistle, but rather the IW was the product of them doing something which they're not allowed.

Turnover KSU is the most correct to the spirit of the play and a simple explanation that you cannot call a timeout while jumping oob, possession ISU would have been the least controversial and most true to what transpired.

Giving KSU the ball and not taking away a timeout is by a large measure the worst way you could possibly rule this play.

I don't care what any lawyer or officiating apologist has to say.

This is not influenced by my ISU Fandom. No questions please.

 

[qwerty]

My understanding has always been that a referee can basically start the clock when he or she decides to if the team throwing it in is stalling. But I agree, to enforce that in a close game, without precedent for doing it before, is ridiculous. The only way I could justify it for the officials is if Iowa State had been warned beforehand about taking too much time to pick up the ball.

That was inside of the final minute so the clock was stopped when the ball goes through the hoop. It's not like we were running clock down so the shot clock becomes irrelevant. The game clock is stopped until the ball is inbounds.

 

[qwerty]

It only has to leave the inbounder’s hand. But game clock does not start until someone from either team touches it.

This is correct. Think about it, if it has to be touched inbounds within 5 seconds, almost every long full court pass would incur a 5 second count before it is caught on the other end of the floor.

 

[PlanetIState]

I have a video on my phone recording a stop watch of that call, the ref has already issued 1 second before Gabe picked up the ball.

And besides that, Gabe inbounded the ball before the ref's arm reached the 5 seconds.

On the other 5 second call, the TV video is late in showing the inbounds, but you can see the ref's arm signal 3, 4, and 5. And the time between 4 and 5 is sped up and is like 1/2 second. I think it was the same ref for both plays. Totally inept!

 

[RocketCy]

Why don’t they mic up the refs? If they really are impartial, fair and acting with integrity they wouldn’t care who heard what they said to each other, coaches, or players. Yeah, like that will happen!

 

[CRcyclone6]

John and Eric were confused and didn't know how to explain other than it should have been and TO or ISU ball because their player went out of bounds. When they gave them the TO and didn't even take one away, they weren't happy.

 

[qwerty]

John and Eric were confused and didn't know how to explain other than it should have been and TO or ISU ball because their player went out of bounds. When they gave them the TO and didn't even take one away, they weren't happy.

Which reminds me, are the radio broadcasts available anywhere online? I would LOVE to hear John and Eric cover the last two minutes.