Weird call at the end of the game

[BCClone]

Supposedly the KSU player was yelling timeout before his feet left the floor, when the ref blew his whistle. But the player didn't signal for the timeout till his feet were in the air and he was going to land out of bounds.

For a timeout to count, it must be signaled, and cannot be called while the player is heading OB.

That makes it an inadvertent whistle, and the ball goes to the team that had possession at the time of the whistle.

The ref screwed up by whistling without a signal.

Now explain how it’s an inadvertent whistle when he doesn’t whistle until after the guy lands out of bounds.

 

[Tlyon]

I think one ref was granting K-State the timeout, then the other came in and said he was in the air (or didn’t have possession yet) and can’t do that. Since the play was blown dead before K-State player hit the ground out of bounds it is an inadvertent whistle, against what many may say here, it was the right call after they got together not the initial whistle.

 

[exCYtable]

The refs ruled Jeremiah George didn't have the ball and awarded it to Texas for reasons... oh wait wrong game.

The only thing that was going through my mind at that moment was the picked up pass interference flags which also happened to be in Manhattan.

 

[Big Daddy Kang]

Can anyone explain what in the world happened on the OOB/travel/timeout/inadvertant whistle play?

They ran out of ways to help KSU.

 

[Trice]

No context on this tweet so I don't know if he got an explanation in the postgame or what.

 

[cstrunk]

I think one ref was granting K-State the timeout, then the other came in and said he was in the air (or didn’t have possession yet) and can’t do that. Since the play was blown dead before K-State player hit the ground out of bounds it is an inadvertent whistle, against what many may say here, it was the right call after they got together not the initial whistle.

Being technically correct does not make up for the incompetence.

 

[ClonesFTW]

Don't forget the 2.5 second 5 second call.

I have a video on my phone recording a stop watch of that call, the ref has already issued 1 second before Gabe picked up the ball.

 

[CYcoFan]

No context on this tweet so I don't know if he got an explanation in the postgame or what.

You could hear Kissinger say inadvertent whistle, the possession arrow never changed so this is not correct either

 

[BCClone]

I think one ref was granting K-State the timeout, then the other came in and said he was in the air (or didn’t have possession yet) and can’t do that. Since the play was blown dead before K-State player hit the ground out of bounds it is an inadvertent whistle, against what many may say here, it was the right call after they got together not the initial whistle.

That is wrong. Whistle occurred after his foot hit the ground out of bounds.

 

[Tlyon]

I agree, the initial whistle was wrong, but after they huddled together and talked it through it was right

 

[NoCreativity]

I have a video on my phone recording a stop watch of that call, the ref has already issued 1 second before Gabe picked up the ball.

Yeah, I went back and watched it about 10 times. He's already in his second arm motion when Gabe picks up the ball, then he blew the whistle before he even gave the 5th signal. Absotuely incompetent officiating.

 

[Tlyon]

That is wrong. Whistle occurred after his foot hit the ground out of bounds.

Officiating accounts for lag time, the ref starts to raise his hand before the foot hit. That is when they determine it not on the actual whistle.

 

[BCClone]

Officiating accounts for lag time, the ref starts to raise his hand before the foot hit. That is when they determine it not on the actual whistle.

He pointed then to the floor saying he had it well before the player even had possession. He was in CYA mode at that point.

 

[ISUChippewa]

IMO, both of the last games have been really poorly officiated, objectively on both ends. Jay Bilas talked at length about the poor officiating all across college basketball last weekend, although I think he focused more on player movement being impeded and the defense not being called for obvious fouls, but overall it's as bad as it's ever been.

 

[isutrevman]

I have a video on my phone recording a stop watch of that call, the ref has already issued 1 second before Gabe picked up the ball.

Agree. I don't know what the rule is there. The ref clearly didn't like the Gabe took a couple seconds to pick up the ball giving his team more time to set up for the inbounds play. However, that happens all the time. When does a ref decide he's going to start counting before the in-bounder touches the ball? I've never seen that before. Right after that happend TJ was talking to the ref about it (I'm assuming asking why the count was so fast) and then looked like he yelled at Gabe to pick up the ball right away.

If that's the rule, and the player needs to pick up the ball immediately, then enforce it. Don't just decide to suddenly enforce it with 30 seconds left in a tight game, then never do it again the rest of the year. Like I said, it is VERY common for the in-bounder to take his time picking up the ball in a situation like that. The ref just decided to start counting for us, because....why not?

 

[FerShizzle]

*gutless call at the end of the game


I really don’t think I am biased in my assessment that ISU gets hosed on the road and near even to hosed at home. I just don’t understand the home calls other teams get.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I'm not usually one to bash the refs but that call, the final foul on Gabe, the 5 second calls, and the foul calls that put Nowell at the line were all pretty weak. Really poor officiating down the stretch

 

[Trice]

You could hear Kissinger say inadvertent whistle, the possession arrow never changed so this is not correct either

I wasn't endorsing it or saying it was correct. Just sharing what I saw.

 

[CYcoFan]

Officiating accounts for lag time, the ref starts to raise his hand before the foot hit. That is when they determine it not on the actual whistle.

You can't grant a timeout when a player is in the air. This rule was changed years ago when everyone was doing it. Kissinger tried to cover his ass saying that he (Kissinger) whistled before the player jumped. But that is just admitting he is wrong, because you have to signal for a timeout not just ask for one.

Kissinger is a pile, but him coming over to Green and TJ at the whistle before Jazz goes to the line is dog ****. He was bating TJ or Green to blow up and that is an absolute no no. That guy has the quickest T whistle in the NCAA and was absolutely gutless today

Edit- I am really pissed about this, because TJ showed restraint I would not have if Kissinger was anywhere near me. My wife and Dog have even left me alone for a while. I can't remember when I have been so mad at something in an ISU win. The Case book not rule book explains this clearly

 

[BCClone]

Agree. I don't know what the rule is there. The ref clearly didn't like the Gabe took a couple seconds to pick up the ball giving his team more time to set up for the inbounds play. However, that happens all the time. When does a ref decide he's going to start counting before the in-bounder touches the ball? I've never seen that before. Right after that happend TJ was talking to the ref about it (I'm assuming asking why the count was so fast) and then looked like he yelled at Gabe to pick up the ball right away.

If that's the rule, and the player needs to pick up the ball immediately, then enforce it. Don't just decide to suddenly enforce it with 30 seconds left in a tight game, then never do it again the rest of the year. Like I said, it is VERY common for the in-bounder to take his time picking up the ball in a situation like that. The ref just decided to start counting for us, because....why not?

They then need to start the count when the players throw it to the ref in that situation. That is a stall tactic that used all the time to give time to set up.