Tyrese Hunter explains decision to enter transfer portal and leave Iowa State

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What does it really change, though? Even if he would have said, "yeah I wanted to get paid, and Iowa State didn't offer as much as Texas did" people would just call him a mercenary and be mad at him, just the same. Nothing he could have said would have changed the narrative that Cyclone fans have. At the end of the day, he was leaving for Texas, and Texas is hated for jilting the Big 12 (among other things). That's his biggest crime. And a good number of fans were going to hate him no matter what, just because of the school he was leaving for.

Everything else is just window dressing. "He lied!" "He dissed us!" "Poor character!" They're all just coping mechanisms for people who have been hurt. It's the EXACT same reaction you'd get with a romantic partner leaving for another person.

And it's not necessarily wrong to feel that way. It's natural to feel personally wounded. The attachment that fans feel towards their team, borders on familial. And so we have to be honest, there's no scenario that could have transpired where Hunter transferred to Texas, that would have been acceptable. There's no combination of magic words and phrases that would have resulted in people being okay with it. All of this, ex post facto warbling about "if only he'd just been honest about his reason for leaving" is disingenuous.
i think it depends who you’re talking to. Would a lot of fans respond the way you describe regardless? Absolutely. I do not disagree with you about that.

But there’s another set that would chalk this up to NIL and say “no way we were going to match UT money”. I promise you there are some people - myself included - that would understand walking for a 7 figure NIL deal.

There is rampant rumor and innuendo about his departure in large because he’s been silent about the reasoning, leaving everyone to their own devices.
 

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i think it depends who you’re talking to. Would a lot of fans respond the way you describe regardless? Absolutely. I do not disagree with you about that.

But there’s another set that would chalk this up to NIL and say “no way we were going to match UT money”. I promise you there are some people - myself included - that would understand walking for a 7 figure NIL deal.

There is rampant rumor and innuendo about his departure in large because he’s been silent about the reasoning, leaving everyone to their own devices.
Not hearing him specifically say the words "I did it for NIL" doesn't prevent anyone from feeling the way you're describing. You can easily come to that conclusion on your own. Insisting that "if he had just said the words, I'd be ok with it" is just another coping mechanism to justify anger resulting from being hurt, because you know you he can't ever go back and fulfill the condition that you've set.
 
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Not hearing him specifically say the words "I did it for NIL" doesn't prevent anyone from feeling the way you're describing. You can easily come to that conclusion on your own. Insisting that "if he had just said the words, I'd be ok with it" is just another coping mechanism to justify anger resulting from being hurt, because you know you he can't ever go back and fulfill the condition that you've set.
Dude. This is a message board. Why don’t you drop the psychoanalysis.
 

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Because it's fascinating. I thought we were having a good discussion about it. Sorry if you don't want to participate.
I was until the point at which you decided to make generalizations about every single person in a fan base of hundreds of thousands of people.

I’m not sure everyone is “hurt” by him leaving. There are constantly people on saying they’re glad he’s gone and that Lipsey is better. Frankly, that’s hard to argue with given how this team looks.

If you can’t accept that some people are just simply and genuinely curious what happened when all of the stories conflict then go ahead with your psychobabble about defense mechanisms and emotional conditions.
 

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I was until the point at which you decided to make generalizations about every single person in a fan base of hundreds of thousands of people.

I’m not sure everyone is “hurt” by him leaving. There are constantly people on saying they’re glad he’s gone and that Lipsey is better. Frankly, that’s hard to argue with given how this team looks.

If you can’t accept that some people are just simply and genuinely curious what happened when all of the stories conflict then go ahead with your psychobabble about defense mechanisms and emotional conditions.
"I'm glad he's gone. Lipsey is better!"

AKA

"I'm better off without that cheating *****. My new girlfriend is better than her, anyway."

It might very well be true, but it's still a coping mechanism.
 

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Is he wrong? You are still butthurt or this would not have been brought up over and over and over again. He is gone, both parties made out well.
To be clear, I made a post saying it would be easier for people to rationalize and would lead to less speculation had he just said it was a lucrative NIL deal.

You guys are reading way too far into this.

Also, check your surroundings. You’re posting in a thread about Hunter transferring while complaining about people discussing it.
 

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To be clear, I made a post saying it would be easier for people to rationalize and would lead to less speculation had he just said it was a lucrative NIL deal.

You guys are reading way too far into this.

Also, check your surroundings. You’re posting in a thread about Hunter transferring while complaining about people discussing it.
I'm not immune from it. It sucks incredibly hard that Hunter left for Texas. Learning about it, this past spring was definitely painful. It's not wrong to feel hurt, given the place that college sports occupies in people's hearts. Acknowledging what's going on doesn't invalidate it.
 

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To be clear, I made a post saying it would be easier for people to rationalize and would lead to less speculation had he just said it was a lucrative NIL deal.

You guys are reading way too far into this.

Also, check your surroundings. You’re posting in a thread about Hunter transferring while complaining about people discussing it.

This thread doesn't need to exist anymore. I know my surroundings, and you saying he left for money is obvious, you didn't break any news here pal.
 

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"I'm glad he's gone. Lipsey is better!"

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"I'm better off without that cheating *****. My new girlfriend is better than her, anyway."

It might very well be true, but it's still a coping mechanism.
I'm team I'd be happy with hunter being a bench guard here.
 

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This thread doesn't need to exist anymore. I know my surroundings, and you saying he left for money is obvious, you didn't break any news here pal.
You’re completely missing the point and being a **** for absolutely no reason. And sure as hell am not implying I’m breaking news.

I’ve never once said he left for money. Again, I said it would have shut down a lot of the speculation had he just came out and said that. The fact that he’s been denying it is weird. That’s it. That’s all.

@Mr Janny if you want to put your psychoanalysis to use why don’t you start with this guy who is clearly angry AF about something.
 
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@Mr Janny

Most of the time, I appreciate your cynical and rational approach to things, but I think you're taking the Michael Corleone approach too far here: "It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business."

College sports are a business for universities, television and radio networks, coaches, staff, and increasingly for the players. Hunter made a business decision, and Texas has bags of money. I get it.

The problem is you've taken the cynicism and rationalism into a realm where the whole point is not to be cynical and rational -- fandom. For its audience, college sports are an entertainment product, which means it needs drama. Dramas have characters, they have plots, they have morals/themes, they have rising and falling actions that build tension, and they have protagonists and antagonists with competing aims building to a climax. We need to feel the joy of victory or the agony of defeat, otherwise we might as well be coding spreadsheets.

Despite a veneer of civilized respectability from a few generations of industrialism and a few thousand years of agricultural civilization, our species is still physiologically and psychological made up of hunter-gatherers. And hunter-gatherers believed in the absolute superiority of their tribe and the necessity of the individual to subsume themselves within the laws and customs of the tribe. Our hunter-gatherer grandparents lived by our standards extremely violent lives, killing in order to eat and killing other humans for resources.

I won't argue the modern world is perfectly safe, but outside of a few exceptions (e.g., active warzones or natural disasters), most people in high-income countries live anodyne and predictable lives -- the opposite of what the caveman inside of them wants. The caveman wants anger, conflict, and violence because those are the way the tribe expands its power and resources and the way the caveman improves their status in the tribe. The blandness of modern life bores our ape brains, so we need to find ways to simulate these feelings.

Sports are the perfect "safe" way to channel these caveman instincts to love your tribe, hate the other tribes, and, above all else, hate those the tribe loved and trusted that betray it like Mr. Hunter. Traitors have always received especially painful, merciless, and public punishments throughout history for a reason. The reason I say sports are "perfect" and "safe" for this is precisely because they are ultimately so meaningless. Nobody is going to go hungry, become homeless, or lose a war because of what happens when Iowa State and Texas take the hardwood on Tuesday night. But is going to be fun because **** THE HORNS and BOO HUNTER!

Turn off the computer of your enlightened brain and let those feelings flow through you. Our modern lives require calm rationalism 99% of the time... with family, in school, at work, and ideally within civil society and politics... and the reassertion of the thinking of tribal cavemen in our politics is a big reason for its present dysfunction, but I digress... but that 1% is sports. Enjoy the drama and feel through it.

If you were take the rational approach to its logical conclusion, then there is absolutely no reason to even watch these games. It doesn't make a lick of real difference to anything who wins a silly ballgame, so why waste your time on it when there are objectively so many better things to be doing with it?
 
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@Mr Janny

Most of the time, I appreciate your cynical and rational approach to things, but I think you're taking the Michael Corleone approach too far here: "It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business."

College sports are a business for universities, television and radio networks, coaches, staff, and increasingly for the players. Hunter made a business decision, and Texas has bags of money. I get it.

The problem is you've taken the cynicism and rationalism into a realm where the whole point is not to be cynical and rational -- fandom. For its audience, college sports are an entertainment product, which means it needs drama. Dramas have characters, they have plots, they have morals/themes, they have rising and falling actions that build tension, and they have protagonists and antagonists with competing aims building to a climax. We need to feel the joy of victory or the agony of defeat, otherwise we might as well be coding spreadsheets.

Despite a veneer of civilized respectability from a few generations of industrialism and a few thousand years of agricultural civilization, our species is still physiologically and psychological made up of hunter-gatherers. And hunter-gatherers believed in the absolute superiority of their tribe and the necessity of the individual to subsume themselves within the laws and customs of the tribe. Our hunter-gatherer grandparents lived by our standards extremely violent lives, killing in order to eat and killing other humans for resources.

I won't argue the modern world is perfectly safe, but outside of a few exceptions (e.g., active warzones or natural disasters), most people in high-income countries live anodyne and predictable lives -- the opposite of what the caveman inside of them wants. The caveman wants anger, conflict, and violence because those are the way the tribe expands its power and resources and the way the caveman improves their status in the tribe. The blandness of modern life bores our ape brains, so we need to find ways to simulate these feelings.

Sports are the perfect "safe" way to channel these caveman instincts to love your tribe, hate the other tribes, and, above all else, hate those the tribe loved and trusted that betray it like Mr. Hunter. Traitors have always received especially painful, merciless, and public punishments throughout history for a reason. The reason I say sports are "perfect" and "safe" for this is precisely because they are ultimately so meaningless. Nobody is going to go hungry, become homeless, or lose a war because of what happens when Iowa State and Texas take the hardwood on Tuesday night. But is going to be fun because **** THE HORNS and BOO HUNTER!

Turn off the computer of your enlightened brain and let those feelings flow through you. Our modern lives require calm rationalism 99% of the time... with family, in school, at work, and ideally within civil society and politics... and the reassertion of the thinking of tribal cavemen in our politics is a big reason for its present dysfunction, but I digress... but that 1% is sports. Enjoy the drama and feel through it.

If you were take the rational approach to its logical conclusion, then there is absolutely no reason to even watch these games. It doesn't make a lick of real difference to anything who wins a silly ballgame, so why waste your time on it when there are objectively so many better things to be doing with it?
God bless anyone who finds the time to read that.
 

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God bless anyone who finds the time to read that.

563 words

Roughly 2-3 paragraphs in a college essay.

To Kill a Mockingbird, which is probably the most widely-read book in the U.S. given most high school freshmen and sophomores are required to read it, clocks in at approximately 100,000 words.

This isn't directed solely at you, but if 1/178th of that is some daunting task for somebody who has a college degree, then yeah online reading habits are destroying our ability to understand the world.

The world is complex. You can't represent that or build points on each other in only the length of text that wouldn't (or at least shouldn't) be intimidating to tweenagers who've never read a novel.
 

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