Tony Padilla

[clone52]

I would like to know what a “legal guarding” position is because I don’t think there officials know either

You establish legal guarding position by have two feet on the floor in bounds in front of the offensive player. Once you establish legal guarding position, you can move laterally or obliquely to maintain legal guarding position. If the offensive player initiates the contact while the defender maintains legal guarding position, there should be no foul on the defender. If the defender moves towards the offensive player, he no longer has legal guarding position and must re-establish legal guarding position.

This all happens super fast in the game.

 

[clone52]

Trail official called it, whoever that was.

Lead official did not have an angle to see that part of the play. Trail official is also watching the play and can see that the defender had broken legal guarding position by moving towards the offensive player and had not yet re-established legal guarding position when contact was made.

 

[heitclone]

It was a bad call but the defender jumping forward made it look like the contact caused the shooter to fall. It was an awkward play, not sure why he even hopped towards the shooter at the end but leaving his feet and landing a couple feet from where he took off was why the call was made. If he goes straight up, he probably doesn't get called.

Again I don't think it was a foul but that's one of the indicators they look for and it's technically there.

 

[isuno1fan]

This site would burn to the ground if that happened to us

This site does that for calls that are fair and accurate.

 

[Drew0311]

He is the Angel Hernandez of college basketball. Just a terrible call

 

[clone52]

It was a bad call but the defender jumping forward made it look like the contact caused the shooter to fall. It was an awkward play, not sure why he even hopped towards the shooter at the end but leaving his feet and landing a couple feet from where he took off was why the call was made. If he goes straight up, he probably doesn't get called.

Again I don't think it was a foul but that's one of the indicators they look for and it's technically there.

A defender jumping forward is not in legal guarding position and is responsible for the contact. This concept is the cause of 80% of all fouls drawn by Lipsey and Gilbert.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

The cylinder is a badly written rule. By the letter they got it right but it's a terrible rule. It was intended to keep defenders from moving offensive players in a trapping situation, which was a problem, but now we've lost the spirit of the rule.

It's a repeat of 5 or 6 years ago where everything involving an elbow was a flagrant 1.

As for Padilla, I gave him the benefit of the doubt for overcompensating working with two young guys in the game up here but last night wasn't that. Antinio Petty is a very good, experienced official and Justin Shamion is younger but established. That was Tony deciding he was the guy people were there to see.

 

[c.y.c.l.o.n.e.s]

Watch the defenders feet. He was walking towards the offensive player when the contact occurred.

If you believe this is a foul then there were thousands upon thousands of uncalled fouls this weekend. Probably a couple dozen in the Houston - Iowa State game alone. This might have been a legitimate call when I played high school ball in the seventies but not the way the game is played/called today.

 

[rosshm16]

They won one game with three second left on some stupid bullsh!t so it's only balancing things out to also lose one such game.

 

[clone52]

If you believe this is a foul then there were thousands upon thousands of uncalled fouls this weekend. Probably a couple dozen in the Houston - Iowa State game alone. This might have been a legitimate call when I played high school ball in the seventies but not the way the game is played/called today.

I bet there are a lot fewer than you think. Not going to be perfect ever, but I think I laid out pretty clearly why the defender was not in legal guarding position and this it was not as much of a phantom foul as everyone is making it out to be.

The thousands of times you think you see it are likely situations where the defender is legally moving laterally or obliquely when the contact occurs.

 

[clonedude]

If you believe this is a foul then there were thousands upon thousands of uncalled fouls this weekend. Probably a couple dozen in the Houston - Iowa State game alone. This might have been a legitimate call when I played high school ball in the seventies but not the way the game is played/called today.

If Heise was not in legal guarding position... then every offensive player in the country should just start throwing flagrant elbows right to the face of defenders to get a foul called on them, right? Sounds great!

 

[alarson]

If Heise was not in legal guarding position... then every offensive player in the country should just start throwing flagrant elbows right to the face of defenders to get a foul called on them, right? Sounds great!

Especially against a team like Houston

 

[NATEizKING]

If Heise was not in legal guarding position... then every offensive player in the country should just start throwing flagrant elbows right to the face of defenders to get a foul called on them, right? Sounds great!

Every trap is double cyclinder foul, Milan should have swung bows instead of taking a TO.

 

[2forISU]

Lead official did not have an angle to see that part of the play. Trail official is also watching the play and can see that the defender had broken legal guarding position by moving towards the offensive player and had not yet re-established legal guarding position when contact was made.

You and TP might be the only people in the world that see a foul.

 

[2forISU]

You establish legal guarding position by have two feet on the floor in bounds in front of the offensive player. Once you establish legal guarding position, you can move laterally or obliquely to maintain legal guarding position. If the offensive player initiates the contact while the defender maintains legal guarding position, there should be no foul on the defender. If the defender moves towards the offensive player, he no longer has legal guarding position and must re-establish legal guarding position.

This all happens super fast in the game.

Here is clear view from the baseline. The little contract was initiated by the offensive player, perfect positioning by the defensive player.

 

[CySmurf]

Every trap is double cyclinder foul, Milan should have swung bows instead of taking a TO.

But that's just it...Milan swings his elbow he knows he'll get called for a foul. Cryer just got damn ass lucky an official was incompetent enough to overturn the offensive foul.

 

[Letterkenny]

The cylinder is a badly written rule. By the letter they got it right but it's a terrible rule. It was intended to keep defenders from moving offensive players in a trapping situation, which was a problem, but now we've lost the spirit of the rule.

It's a repeat of 5 or 6 years ago where everything involving an elbow was a flagrant 1.

As for Padilla, I gave him the benefit of the doubt for overcompensating working with two young guys in the game up here but last night wasn't that. Antinio Petty is a very good, experienced official and Justin Shamion is younger but established. That was Tony deciding he was the guy people were there to see.

The cylinder call wasn't correct by the letter of the law. If you watch more than a 1 second replay, Heise had an espablished position giving Cryer plenty of space (this wasn't shown on the broadcast replay and I question if the refs even went back far enough in the replay to see it). Then Cryer pivoted into Heise's body. Heise stood his ground and didn't move. Then Cryer swung the ball hitting Heise in the face. Cryer violated Heise's "cyclinder", not the other way around. Then proceeded to elbow him in the face.

The officials looked for any excuse to call Heise and for violating Cryer's "cylinder", and found it, only because they were too lazy to look at the entire 2-3 second play and likely just looked at a 1 second clip. Terrible overturned call by incompetent officials.

 

[clone52]

Here is clear view from the baseline. The little contract was initiated by the offensive player, perfect positioning by the defensive player.

I am not saying it wasn't a ticky tack call, but by the letter of the law it was a defensive foul. A defensive player moving towards an offensive player is not in legal guarding position. That is just a fact. He had perfect positioning until he moved towards the offensive player.

99% of CBB officials would agree.

 

[2forISU]

I am not saying it wasn't a ticky tack call, but by the letter of the law it was a defensive foul. A defensive player moving towards an offensive player is not in legal guarding position. That is just a fact. He had perfect positioning until he moved towards the offensive player.

99% of CBB officials would agree.

You keeping telling me the defensive player initiated the contact by moving forward, he did not. The offensive player lowers his shoulders and leans in. You might be the only person that is defending that call

 

[AllInForISU]

I am not saying it wasn't a ticky tack call, but by the letter of the law it was a defensive foul. A defensive player moving towards an offensive player is not in legal guarding position. That is just a fact. He had perfect positioning until he moved towards the offensive player.

99% of CBB officials would agree.

Don’t even bother trying. Waste of time.