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You must let the shooter land in that case. Not letting him land disadvantages the shooter.

I don't carry my rule and case books around like I used to, but I'll give you a situation that was ALWAYS advantage/disadvantage for me: Rebounding. If there is contact between two players that is not severe, and the player with position gets the rebound anyway, officials don't want to disrupt the flow of the game and potentially stop a fast break. Most coaches understand an appreciate that application. But here is what Google AI says and I think it's decent enough:

In basketball officiating, "advantage/disadvantage" refers to the principle where referees prioritize letting the game flow by not calling fouls or violations unless a player is clearly put at a significant disadvantage by contact or a borderline violation, meaning they should only whistle when the contact meaningfully impacts the ability to play the game; essentially, allowing some minor contact that doesn't give one team an unfair edge over the other.

Key points about advantage/disadvantage in basketball officiating:
  • Not all contact is a foul:
    Even if there is physical contact between players, the referee will only call a foul if it significantly hinders the offensive player's ability to make a play, putting them at a clear disadvantage.

  • Focus on game flow:
    By applying the advantage/disadvantage principle, referees aim to minimize stoppages in play and allow for a more fluid game experience.

  • Examples of applying the principle:
    • A defender might lightly bump an offensive player while guarding them on the perimeter, but if the offensive player can still maintain their dribble and shot opportunity, it's likely not a foul.

    • In a rebounding situation, some minor contact between players battling for the ball might be allowed if it doesn't give one player a clear advantage.

Potential criticisms of advantage/disadvantage officiating:
  • Inconsistency:
    Some fans might perceive inconsistent officiating if referees interpret "advantage" differently depending on the situation or the players involved.
  • Difficulty for spectators to understand:
    Not all viewers might understand why a referee chooses not to call a foul in a seemingly obvious contact situation, as they might not be aware of the advantage/disadvantage principle.
Great points. I think the consistency on how the game is called throughout the game is the biggest complaint. The first 8 or so minutes really are used as a gauge for teams to know how the officials will call the game. Coaches get upset when contact that was not a foul early in the game is called a foul late in the game. Great officials set the standard for what is allowed/not allowed early in the game and keep that consistent throughout the game
 
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I agree with all of this, but I’ve had the understanding it’s more of a principle than an actual rule. Which is what makes basketball one of the hardest games to officiate.
You are correct. It is the guideline officials are given in determining what to call and what to not call. I should not have used the word rule. But it is a very real principle and most coaches understand and appreciate it.
 
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One last example of advantage/disadvantage. Rick Hartzell used to tell a story about PJ Carlesimo jumping his **** about a foul call. There was marginal contact by his player, but that contact caused the offensive player to step into the back court. Rick wanted to ignore the contact, but once it caused the offensive player to violate, it could not be ignored.

The fact that it involved a D1 official and coach is really irrelevant but it's a good example that you might see happen several times in a game. There might be a bump you want to ignore, but that bumped caused the offensive player to step out or travel or whatever and then you have to call it.

As you can tell I could talk about this all day. I appreciate the cordial discussion. Most times I insert myself into these I get my ass handed to me and generally shy away from doing it anymore.
 

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This weekend in basketball tells me that I have no idea what a foul is anymore, and neither do officials.
 

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This weekend in basketball tells me that I have no idea what a foul is anymore, and neither do officials.
I think there may be something to a lot of these officials work 4+ games a week and after 4 straight months of doing that with the travel besides that the refs this time of year are just tired and grumpy (more techs called lately it seems as well).
 

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Can you imagine Iowa State fans if what happened to AZ happened to us?

my god this site would burn down.

The Hiese thing was bad, but that AZ/BYU deal was a whole other level of bad.
 
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ruxCYtable

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I think there may be something to a lot of these officials work 4+ games a week and after 4 straight months of doing that with the travel besides that the refs this time of year are just tired and grumpy (more techs called lately it seems as well).
It could be a factor. Something that contributes to that is, not enough people are getting a chance. There are capable officials IN IOWA who can't get a sniff. It's a good old boys club, and it's the same guys over and over, night after night.
 

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Can you imagine Iowa State fans if what happened to AZ happened to us?

my god this site would burn down.

The Hiese thing was bad, but that AZ/BYU deal was a whole other level of bad.
You are right but if it wasn't called an ISU was on offense, you would see a similar amount of outrage on this site
 

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Not exactly sure.
If you want to feel better about the officiating, watch a couple women’s games. You will think it has different rules wirh as bad as their officials are.
 
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Just finished watching a replay of the KU vs TTU gsme. That guy is a disaster. He makes a legit double dribble call on Dickinson and let another official hop in and dispute it. Then KU got a bucket. What a disaster not to mention incompetent to do that in a game
 
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Gerry Pollard was like this for two seasons before he retired. Hopefully this guy puts his ego aside and recognizes it's time to hang the whistle up.
 

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Gerry Pollard was like this for two seasons before he retired. Hopefully this guy puts his ego aside and recognizes it's time to hang the whistle up.
Wishful thinking when it comes to these guys.
 

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