*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[megamanxzero35]

Here is the problem I have with this. Note this is for football only. For recruiting purposes I think you have to break up the texas and southern schools. Otherwise, the northern schools are going to struggle for talent. If you break them up so that every team is playing in Texas and near Florida every year, that would mean a lot for all the more northern schools. Also this would serve to breakup the us versus them like we had in the old B12. I know people will argue geography, but for football it doesn't really matter. I think the conference would really benefit from attempting to not be Texas centered. Just my $0.02.

Pods are suppose to be region based though, that is the point of the pod system.

http://i.imgur.com/ZAvuj.jpg

Little more Region based.


Year 1
Orange Pod plays Green Pod for Division 1
Blue Pod plays Yellow Pod for Division 2

Year 2
Orange Pod plays Blue Pod for Division 1
Green Pod plays Yellow Pod for Division 2

Year 3
Orange Pod plays Yellow Pod for Division 1
Green Pod plays Blue Pod for Division 2

Everyone will be playing a game in Texas or Florida each year sans Year 1 when Orange and Green won't. In years you are not, that is what the 9th conference game is for.

 

[CyFan61]

Pods are suppose to be region based though, that is the point of the pod system.

http://i.imgur.com/ZAvuj.jpg

Little more Region based.


Year 1
Orange Pod plays Green Pod for Division 1
Blue Pod plays Yellow Pod for Division 2

Year 2
Orange Pod plays Blue Pod for Division 1
Green Pod plays Yellow Pod for Division 2

Year 3
Orange Pod plays Yellow Pod for Division 1
Green Pod plays Blue Pod for Division 2

Everyone will be playing a game in Texas or Florida each year sans Year 1 when Orange and Green won't. In years you are not, that is what the 9th conference game is for.

FYI, geographically TCU is a better fit in the "Blue Pod" than Baylor. I'd switch those two if I were you. (Their locations are not accurately represented by their logos on the map.)

I don't like the pod alignments or the idea of the 16 team conference, myself. I think 14 is pushing it but I wouldn't mind seeing a 14-team conference with the addition of four heavy-hitting schools like Florida State, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, VaTech, Georgia Tech, etc.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

FYI, geographically TCU is a better fit in the "Blue Pod" than Baylor. I'd switch those two if I were you. (Their locations are not accurately represented by their logos on the map.)

+1 Waco is southeast of DFW.

 

[cykadelic2]

Add in the fact that the new TV deal supposedly has a built-in escalator of $2million per team when expansion occurs and it gets crazy from there. Conference Championship game thought be about $2million per team and Plus-one playoff money should be $3-$4 million per team for a nonparticipating program and possibly double that for the participating team.

They particularly won't be able to resist this when the new SEC deal comes in at $30 million a team next year. Their Trustees are going to sit there and say "We're making less than half of Vanderbilt and Northwestern.... Get me Commissioner Bowlsby on the phone."

Where have you read the SEC deal being $30M/yr per team? The SEC deal is being renegotiated under the "look-in" provisions of its current long-term deal. It is not up for renewal. Big difference IMO, especially given the paltry ACC raise with Cuse and Pitt. As a result, the best I see the SEC deal being raised is on par or slightly exceeding the current top contract. ESPN and CBS have the leverage on the SEC renegotiations.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Where have you read the SEC deal being $30M/yr per team? The SEC deal is being renegotiated under the "look-in" provisions of its current long-term deal. It is not up for renewal. Big difference IMO, especially given the paltry ACC raise with Cuse and Pitt. As a result, the best I see the SEC deal being raised is on par or slightly exceeding the current top contract. ESPN and CBS have the leverage on the SEC renegotiations.

Tier one and tier two for the SEC will be similar to the Big 12 and PAC deals. What happens with their tier 3 will be the delta.

 

[erikbj]

Where have you read the SEC deal being $30M/yr per team? The SEC deal is being renegotiated under the "look-in" provisions of its current long-term deal. It is not up for renewal. Big difference IMO, especially given the paltry ACC raise with Cuse and Pitt. As a result, the best I see the SEC deal being raised is on par or slightly exceeding the current top contract. ESPN and CBS have the leverage on the SEC renegotiations.

I thought the SEC didn't want to add teams to states where they already had schools?

 

[Wesley]

Looks like the networks will need to have more beer commercials to pay this money.

 

[cyman05]

Where have you read the SEC deal being $30M/yr per team? The SEC deal is being renegotiated under the "look-in" provisions of its current long-term deal. It is not up for renewal. Big difference IMO, especially given the paltry ACC raise with Cuse and Pitt. As a result, the best I see the SEC deal being raised is on par or slightly exceeding the current top contract. ESPN and CBS have the leverage on the SEC renegotiations.

Remember the quote by one of the Mizzou Board of Curator's members last fall?
Q: Why would you leave the Big 12?
A: There are 33 million reasons to leave the Big 12...

Of course the SEC didn't promise Mizzou $33 million after their deals were restructured, but you can bet that someone from the SEC offices threw out this projected number of 33 million to them...Although probably 33 million will be at the high end of their projections. I bet somehow they end up somewhere around 30 million though when the dust settles.

Just wait for the Big 10 and their new deal in 2016. I bet they end up with at least $35 million/team/yr.

That's why its important for the Big 12 to have successful expansion efforts. You want to end up in the $25-30 million/team/yr range like the Pac 12 is at to stay in the same ballpark as the Big 10 and SEC.

If the Big 12 takes the football cream of the crop from the ACC, and the ACC shifts completely basketball centric, it will be a matter of time before schools with options like North Carolina realize they need to leave the ACC behind in order to compete financially.

 

[Cyclophile1]

Where have you read the SEC deal being $30M/yr per team? The SEC deal is being renegotiated under the "look-in" provisions of its current long-term deal. It is not up for renewal. Big difference IMO, especially given the paltry ACC raise with Cuse and Pitt. As a result, the best I see the SEC deal being raised is on par or slightly exceeding the current top contract. ESPN and CBS have the leverage on the SEC renegotiations.

I think it's going to be higher than $30 million, but we don't know yet. It's been reported different places this spring that they are re-negotiating based on the new markets and teams. The new Pac-12 arrangement is going to generate $30 million per school per their commish, and I don't expect the SEC to come in at LESS than that. It's part of the reason why FSU must look at different options. If they are going to be getting $12 million and Florida getting $35 million (?), the FSU trustees will just blow a gasket.

Cheers

 

[cyman05]

I think it's going to be higher than $30 million, but we don't know yet. It's been reported different places this spring that they are re-negotiating based on the new markets and teams. The new Pac-12 arrangement is going to generate $30 million per school per their commish, and I don't expect the SEC to come in at LESS than that. It's part of the reason why FSU must look at different options. If they are going to be getting $12 million and Florida getting $35 million (?), the FSU trustees will just blow a gasket.

Cheers

That 30 million number for the Pac12 is the top end of their projections. It could be anywhere between 25-30 and it'll probably be closer to 25 than 30 if I were to bet. Either way, if the Big12 expands, they will be equal with and could surpass the Pac 12 deal when you add in tier 3 rights.

All that matters is that you stay in the same ballpark as the Big10 and SEC. If the ACC loses FSU and Clemson, they will be left behind in the money race and others will soon jump ship if the opportunity arises.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2...olish-rumors-of-florida-state-and-the-big-12/

 

[Al_4_State]

Frank's a Big 10 homer that hasn't been right about anything in years.

The Big 10 fans can't fathom the Big 12 thriving.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

http://www.tallahassee.com/article/...-12-rumors?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|frontpage

 

[CyFan61]

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/penny-wise-and-pound-foolish-rumors-of-florida-state-and-the-big-12/

I think he was literally wrong with every article he had about realignment last summer. Every single one.

 

[jbhtexas]

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/penny-wise-and-pound-foolish-rumors-of-florida-state-and-the-big-12/

Clicking that link takes you to a completely unrelated article...

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Clicking that link takes you to a completely unrelated article...

Fixed.

 

[southernfriedCY]

TheDude has spoken.

Big 12 Expansion: The Quiet And The Storm

Clemson is the quiet one.

The decision has been made and they're Big 12 bound.

No drama at Clemson. Clemson's football staff have been notified of an impending move and they're fine with it.

If you want drama look to Tallahassee.

FSU's Board of Trustees have butted heads with the president and made their desire to exit the ACC known.

Make no mistake, Florida State wants to move, but President Eric Barron has found it very difficult to pull the trigger.

He likes the ACC, he really does. He likes being in the same conference as North Carolina and Duke (for academic reasons). He is concerned how FSU's faculty would react to move and wants them to understand that academics are a priority at FSU.

What he doesn't like is the pitiful TV contract the ACC managed to beg from ESPN.

Both Eric Barron and the Board of Trustees understand that the ACC, going forward, puts FSU at a distinct competitive advantage.

If you don't believe that consider that FSU will be playing for one of four playoff spots.

FSU, and schools throughout the nation, must decide if they want to contend for one of those four playoff spots and be willing to spend the money necessary to compete.

Florida State has resources and a giant athletic department budget, but so do Alabama, LSU, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and the ramifications for FSU's continued membership in the ACC are profound.

Their peers will be receiving significantly more in television revenues each and every year. And that's why the Board of Trustees at FSU will force Barron's hand and FSU will join Clemson as new members of the Big 12.

The deal is done.

Some notes:

• The Big 12 contract maybe as much as $25 million per school and fully vested by year 3.
• The Contract has an automatic clause triggering renegotiation with the addition of a #13th member.
• ESPN and Fox have the advised Big 12 on who to add and further expansion depends on value and who's available.
• If the right "value-added" teams are not available the Big 12 will not expand.
• Miami has said no. Their president plans to reduce the investment in football and worries aobut NCAA violations.
• Georgia Tech is now a serious candidate for 13 and talks are progressing.
• Louisville and Cincinnati are no longer under consideration.

http://dudeofwv.blogspot.com/2...-and-storm.html

 

[snowcraig2.0]

TheDude has spoken.

Big 12 Expansion: The Quiet And The Storm

Clemson is the quiet one.

The decision has been made and they're Big 12 bound.

No drama at Clemson. Clemson's football staff have been notified of an impending move and they're fine with it.

If you want drama look to Tallahassee.

FSU's Board of Trustees have butted heads with the president and made their desire to exit the ACC known.

Make no mistake, Florida State wants to move, but President Eric Barron has found it very difficult to pull the trigger.

He likes the ACC, he really does. He likes being in the same conference as North Carolina and Duke (for academic reasons). He is concerned how FSU's faculty would react to move and wants them to understand that academics are a priority at FSU.

What he doesn't like is the pitiful TV contract the ACC managed to beg from ESPN.

Both Eric Barron and the Board of Trustees understand that the ACC, going forward, puts FSU at a distinct competitive advantage.

If you don't believe that consider that FSU will be playing for one of four playoff spots.

FSU, and schools throughout the nation, must decide if they want to contend for one of those four playoff spots and be willing to spend the money necessary to compete.

Florida State has resources and a giant athletic department budget, but so do Alabama, LSU, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and the ramifications for FSU's continued membership in the ACC are profound.

Their peers will be receiving significantly more in television revenues each and every year. And that's why the Board of Trustees at FSU will force Barron's hand and FSU will join Clemson as new members of the Big 12.

The deal is done.

Some notes:

• The Big 12 contract maybe as much as $25 million per school and fully vested by year 3.
• The Contract has an automatic clause triggering renegotiation with the addition of a #13th member.
• ESPN and Fox have the advised Big 12 on who to add and further expansion depends on value and who's available.
• If the right "value-added" teams are not available the Big 12 will not expand.
• Miami has said no. Their president plans to reduce the investment in football and worries aobut NCAA violations.
• Georgia Tech is now a serious candidate for 13 and talks are progressing.
• Louisville and Cincinnati are no longer under consideration.

http://dudeofwv.blogspot.com/2...-and-storm.html

That is huge. Really huge.

 

[HFCS]

Their prez needs to get a grip. They aren't Harvard and he's coming off like a d-bag acting like they're any better than schools like Texas, TCU, Baylor, ISU, KU and KSU. He seems to be out of touch with fans and alumni on it though which is a very good sign for those who want FSU/Clemson as 11 and 12.

They're one of the lowest ranked academic institutions in the ACC and will likely still be in the bottom half of even the revamped Big 12 as well. I'd never knock them or any other school in the Big 12 if their president wasn't out there pi$$ing on my degree for no good reason, FSU is ranked below ISU and half the Big 12 as an academic institution.

 

[HFCS]

TheDude has spoken.

Big 12 Expansion: The Quiet And The Storm

Clemson is the quiet one.

The decision has been made and they're Big 12 bound.

No drama at Clemson. Clemson's football staff have been notified of an impending move and they're fine with it.

If you want drama look to Tallahassee.

FSU's Board of Trustees have butted heads with the president and made their desire to exit the ACC known.

Make no mistake, Florida State wants to move, but President Eric Barron has found it very difficult to pull the trigger.

He likes the ACC, he really does. He likes being in the same conference as North Carolina and Duke (for academic reasons). He is concerned how FSU's faculty would react to move and wants them to understand that academics are a priority at FSU.

What he doesn't like is the pitiful TV contract the ACC managed to beg from ESPN.

Both Eric Barron and the Board of Trustees understand that the ACC, going forward, puts FSU at a distinct competitive advantage.

If you don't believe that consider that FSU will be playing for one of four playoff spots.

FSU, and schools throughout the nation, must decide if they want to contend for one of those four playoff spots and be willing to spend the money necessary to compete.

Florida State has resources and a giant athletic department budget, but so do Alabama, LSU, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and the ramifications for FSU's continued membership in the ACC are profound.

Their peers will be receiving significantly more in television revenues each and every year. And that's why the Board of Trustees at FSU will force Barron's hand and FSU will join Clemson as new members of the Big 12.

The deal is done.

Some notes:

• The Big 12 contract maybe as much as $25 million per school and fully vested by year 3.
• The Contract has an automatic clause triggering renegotiation with the addition of a #13th member.
• ESPN and Fox have the advised Big 12 on who to add and further expansion depends on value and who's available.
• If the right "value-added" teams are not available the Big 12 will not expand.
• Miami has said no. Their president plans to reduce the investment in football and worries aobut NCAA violations.
• Georgia Tech is now a serious candidate for 13 and talks are progressing.
• Louisville and Cincinnati are no longer under consideration.

http://dudeofwv.blogspot.com/2...-and-storm.html

Kind of hard believe we would take FSU, Clemson and GT, then stop at awkward 13 with Louisville sitting there in a medium sized new TV market, above average football resources and perhaps #1 basketball resources/gate.

If Louisville would be #13 I can see them out, 3 ACC teams jump and Louisville is in. I also could see 2 ACC teams, then 2 more later, just can't see 3 ACC teams and that's it with no Louisville.