i would trust a linemen to throw a 2 yd pass. Heck I would take my little sister throwing that pass.
Suprised more people aren't discussing taking a knee
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i would trust a linemen to throw a 2 yd pass. Heck I would take my little sister throwing that pass.
Well then we should have had your little sister out there cause it sure as hell didn't work with who we had. It looked like he threw it with his wrong hand.
and how do you know it would have been the correct decision to press our luck in the last 40 seconds and try to score?! Hind sight is ALWAYS 20/20.
If we kick the extra point and then dont score in the 2nd OT, would you have ripped Rhoads for not going for two in the frst OT?
Me. Well not of ripped on him but questioned it. He absolutely made the right call.
the right call was made.
we didn't execute the conversion correctly in OT or we would have won the game.
we didn't execute the conversion correctly in OT or we would have won the game.
In the moment, I felt it was absolutely the right decision.
People saying "Why take risks in OT if you are going to play conservative in regulation?" don't understand the concept of a fake. Nothing we could do at the end of regulation was going to come as a surprise to Nebraska. They were going to have 8 guys back guarding against any play over 10 yards. We needed 40.
People saying "Why take risks in OT if you are going to play conservative in regulation?" don't understand the concept of a fake. Nothing we could do at the end of regulation was going to come as a surprise to Nebraska. They were going to have 8 guys back guarding against any play over 10 yards. We needed 40.
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If you go back and read my original post I never questioned if the fake was the correct call. My point is that you can't say one was correct because he's going for the win and the other is correct because he's playing it safe. If your going to risk losing the game I would have much rather it had been with the best players on the team. We sure weren't worried about Arnaud throwing the ball in OT where the same mistake that everyone is bringing up would have ended the game just the same as in regulation.
And no, I absolutely would not have been ripping him for taking the points and getting another shot. From the way I saw the game, we were the better team yesterday. I would have taken my chances that our defense, with extra rest because the offense would take the ball first in the 2nd OT, would have stepped up and gotten them held to at least a FG try.
CycloneErik
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Re: Why take a knee?
It was smart field-position football.
People say, "Go for a 57-yard field goal." Really? 57 yards? Grant wasn't having the best day.
People say, "It's playing not to lose." Really? If we go to OT, the offense will start at the 25, in good position to score. It's a lot better than gambling against a defense with much better athletes than our offense has.
CPR wasn't afraid to go for the win. The man is smart enough to know when he has a chance at a gamble and when he doesn't. Trying to drive in those last 40 seconds is counting on a whole lot of things that don't usually work for us.
It has nothing to do with confidence in a QB or a lack of it. It has to do with understanding the reality of the situation.
It was smart field-position football.
People say, "Go for a 57-yard field goal." Really? 57 yards? Grant wasn't having the best day.
People say, "It's playing not to lose." Really? If we go to OT, the offense will start at the 25, in good position to score. It's a lot better than gambling against a defense with much better athletes than our offense has.
CPR wasn't afraid to go for the win. The man is smart enough to know when he has a chance at a gamble and when he doesn't. Trying to drive in those last 40 seconds is counting on a whole lot of things that don't usually work for us.
It has nothing to do with confidence in a QB or a lack of it. It has to do with understanding the reality of the situation.
CycloneErik
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By looking at the situations, you absolutely can laud both decisions. They were both a good call.
When Austen was throwing in OT, we were in scoring position. It was a much better setup for us.
I believe the whole time we were behind in the 4th quarter, that number 1 pass defense expected us to pass, and yet somehow we managed to score on a long drive and a short drive, including a reception for a touch down. Seems the number 1 pass defense was vulnerable. I still don't understand not at least handing the ball off to ARob and seeing if we get anything. Yes he fumbled earlier in the game, but how many times this season has he fumbled? In that situation, I think we need to trust our best player with the ball, and I really do not think the extra point holder was the best player. I understand the surprise factor, but obviously it surprised our holder because he did not throw a good pass, which I believe was intercepted. Now how is that worse odds than ARob fumbling?
I have no problem taking a knee, but I did not like that we did it on first down. I think you have to take at least one shot downfield for a 20+ yard gain. You have to trust a senior QB to throw the ball only where we catch it, get PI, or it falls incomplete.
If the first down shot fails, you can always take a knee on second down.
We had the momentum in the 4th quarter. Mahoney had already hit a 57 yard FG.
We should have tried to make a big play at the end of regulation.
Loved the 2 pt conversion call, didnt like taking a knee though.
We should have tried to make a big play at the end of regulation.
Loved the 2 pt conversion call, didnt like taking a knee though.
Have a string two or three running plays ready for A-rob, hoping he breaks through. If those don't work, call a time out with ~3 seconds left and take a shot down field. An interception isn't as scary when there's no chance for Alex Henery to kick a field goal. If you're planning on doing a 2-point conversion in overtime, I would think this is an equally safe plan of action.
I do respect the decision to take it to overtime, though.
I do respect the decision to take it to overtime, though.
I don't know exactly how much time was left, or how field position compared to the ISU game, but Iowa did it last year at tOSU with the Rose Bowl on the line. We had the momentum, but went conservative, took it to OT and then lost.
Granted, we were playing with a freshman making his first start, so maybe the thought was "what if we turn it over?" That would be slightly different from your case with Arnaud at QB. Still, if he had been aggressive and Arnaud had thrown a pick, or somebody had fumbled, then you'd have questions about why Rhoads didn't play for OT.
Yeah, I thought that was obviously what it was. That thought was confirmed when they were letting him throw the back shoulder pass twice after the two picks. Ridiculous.
I might be wrong, but wasn't there like over a minute left in that Iowa-Ohio State game as opposed to just 40 seconds.
I think had there been more than a minute left the Nebraska game, I think Rhoads and crew may have had the team go for a game-winning field goal.
Now in seriousness. Here are the things that I would say made this decision:
1. They have perhaps the best kicker in the nation. The wind had died down so I would think he would be good from 50 at least.
2. They had not shown to be able to throw the ball and were struggling to run it late. I think we thought we could win the game by making them kick a FG.
3. AA will press the issue in those situations. Yes, it cost us a pick six but it also got us back in the game and tied it in the first OT.
In all honestly, I think PR thought our defense could stop them in the first OT and we could score a TD. I think he thought it was a higher percentage play. For the record I still disagree but I don't get paid a bunch of money to make the decision and I also am not on the sidelines. That call didn't cost us the game. Who knows, maybe it saved us the game.
1. They have perhaps the best kicker in the nation. The wind had died down so I would think he would be good from 50 at least.
2. They had not shown to be able to throw the ball and were struggling to run it late. I think we thought we could win the game by making them kick a FG.
3. AA will press the issue in those situations. Yes, it cost us a pick six but it also got us back in the game and tied it in the first OT.
In all honestly, I think PR thought our defense could stop them in the first OT and we could score a TD. I think he thought it was a higher percentage play. For the record I still disagree but I don't get paid a bunch of money to make the decision and I also am not on the sidelines. That call didn't cost us the game. Who knows, maybe it saved us the game.
