Strength Needed
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I've never heard of a football program implementing C & J or snatches. Power Cleans, yes, but full clean and jerks and snatch are too technical and require too much individual attention. Football programs don't have enough coaches or time to do such lifts.
Correct. Some programs will use snatch but with lightweight to focus on hip and shoulder flexibility. Most will avoid it and just do overhead squats.
Except for the part about laying on their backs and pressing something off their chest. A more specific movement would be the Jammer machine, sled pushes, or medicine ball throws. Those are pressing motions done on your feet, like an actual block. The limiting factor for a lineman blocking will always be their hips and legs, no matter how big their bench is. A football player should be built like a tree: a very strong base and trunk, with the rest following.
Now before you get all angry, yes the bench press is still important for general upper body strength.
Tough to compare these numbers, obviously during and after the season, the guys aren't hitting the weights as hard as they do in the offseason. The wear and tear of the season is going to naturally make numbers bigger the later in the offseason it gets.
Interesting we did it in high school, guess our coaches were ahead of the curve. Multi joint systemic workouts are the only way to go in my book. There's a reason they're called Olympic lifts, they're the ones that matter.
It's always a good topic for PR when a coaching change happens. As this thread shows 99% of fans don't have the experience, ability, or access to evaluate a S&C program. Hard to wade through the coach speak when you don't understand it.
Your HS program had kids doing full snatches and CJ (meaning, catching the bar below parallel)? I find that hard to believe. But, if they were I'm willing to bet most of the kids were using poor form and thus were prone to injury.
Bench is the most worthless lift an athlete can do, its good for making your arms look nice for the ladies but bench strength doesn't translate to athleticism or total body strength. Squating, hang clean, those are much more important. They work out nearly every joint in the body, nearly every common football injury is related to some joint in the body. Besides, strength is nothing without coordination.
Yes we were, and being my father was one of the strength and conditioning coaches I'm not sure I like your tone.
Bench makes your chest and shoulders look better, and maybe your triceps but to say it makes your arms look better is ridiculous. Bench is very much used by anyone coming out of their stance and surely not a worthless lift.
Nobody can do 20 reps at 225 without being able to max out above 300. If all our S&C was doing was working on max bench then shame on him but with current training protocols having a big 1 rep max IS an indication of overall growth and strength. Same with squats, same with all the olympic lifts.
Focusing on a number isn't the be-all, end-all but it does show the vector of training efforts.
That 2014 team did not have more talent than NDSU, which says a lot about recruiting. We were doubled up in yardage, gave up 300+ rushing, and lost by 20. Much of the difference in scholarship numbers for that game was made up for by the S&C program at NDSU. Their guy is given a ton of credit for that programs success. Not surprisingly, they also have great line play on both sides and can develop players: their NFL left tackle from last year came in as a walk-on at 6-6, 240 and left weighing 315.
Bench press is looked at by the NFL as a way to gauge a players long term commitment to getting stronger. Good bench numbers take time in the gym, and show a lot about work ethic as well as strength endurance.
I think the only instance I've ever heard of a SC coach get specific credit for improving a program was the programs Mike Barwis was apart of.
Granted I'm 52, but part of my workouts are max intensity intervals on a spinning bike. i love them because they are short duration but I hate them because you HAVE to have the killer attitude to do them at the highest intensity. Attitude, effort, discipline are needed for HIIT and for our football program regardless of how you develop them.
As for benefits - blood sugar control, t increases, muscle gains, joint preservation, etc... ALL great things for us more seasoned citizens.
But can't see that being any more than a fraction of a percent of the program our guys are doing.
That's not isolated to the strength and conditioning program. Insert the word football for S&C and you come up with the same answers.
Code for "we took tall skinny kids no one else wanted and tried to make them lean and mean".
Didn't work. This ain't Rice.
Uh, yes it is. You can have the fastest player in the world at RB, Joe Montana at QB, and if you are getting pushed around on the OL, you have no hole to run in, no where to throw. Last year was a bit of an exception, but the prior 3 years before that, we got slaughtered at the line of scrimmage.
