Stanford doesn't emphasize the bench press (they use it, but doubt they have many benching 400 lbs) and they are one of the most physical teams in college football - as in pummeling Iowa on both sides of the line of scrimmage.
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There is nothing special about the Nebraska program. Everyone talks about how they used it in HS. It's actually an old program that has been left behind except for high school. You can't even compare the HS version of the Husker workout to a modern college S&C program. It's like saying you owned a cat so you know how to care for a lion.
Every S&C program in the nation focuses on cleans, squats, bench, etc. Its the theory around weight vs reps that is the big difference between programs along with speed and plyo programs.
These kind of threads crack me up, a whole bunch of experts that go to the local health club and stand in front of a mirror. Our S&C staff was not the problem. LAZY recruiting was the downfall. Being strong is definitely important, but you still need speed, agility and football mentality. Lazard is a perfect example of the next level of talent. If ISU plays Houston we would get smoked and we all know who their Strength coach is.
While I agree that the story about needing to get stronger is one we have heard several times, I am still not convinced that all of the OL injuries over the past few years were not somehow related to the S&C program. I see all these other teams that have the same starting 5 for the entire year, and poor ISU can't have the same 5 out there for more than 2 games in a row.
You are right Lazard is a perfect example of the previous staff. His Freshman year he weight 221 lbs last year he weight 223 Lbs. Granted he did put on some weight at some point between his Sr year in HS and his first game as a Cyclone, but you cannot tell me someone with his frame and becoming older cannot put on more muscle than 2 lbs.
ISU had more talent the UNI, NDSU, Toledo, yet they got pushed around by those teams. They also have better facilities, and spend more money on getting the players game ready. The rash of injuries was another weird thing. People say the S&C had nothing to do with it but at some point you have to question it when you get similar injuries over and over and get so many season ending injuries.
I went from 12oz curls to 16oz curls, this new staff is working
Um, no. That's the wrong direction unless that's pure H2O from an Eskimo shaman.
I would argue that for a number of different reasons, but I don't want to derail the thread so I'll just say Crossfit is good for Crossfitters, not necessarily football players. I'm not saying it's bad for football players, but I am saying there are WAY better programs for athletes that want to train specific rather than doing a general workout in Crossfit.
demoncore1031
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Having worked a lot with those same treadmills and kids of that age, doing interval sprints on those treadmills is a lot harder than lifting heavy weights. 99% of the kids I have trained would rather be lifting than sprinting on treadmills. And if you think the treadmills do the work for you, you've never sprinted up a 30-40% incline at maximal effort and speed.
You think Lazard doesn't weigh enough? You'd like him to beef up to 250 and move to tight end? I don't remember us getting pushed around by UNI and Toledo last year.
Go to Alabama, Texas, oklahoma auburn or any of the top schools and tell me how many guys they have benching over 400....also in a stance for a lineman their action for blocking is a bench press motion almost to a T.
So benching over 4 makes you more efficient at committing penalties?
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Getting pushed around isn't the main reason we have been getting beat. Speed, lack of execution and poor judgement by previous coaching staff.
This. We used to do high speed treadmill workouts during the winter for track in high school and those were the worst. And that's not even comparable to what the SC staff had the football team doing obviously. Most guys won't choose intense cardio over weight lifting.
I did not say there aren't people benching 400. Only stating that 400 isn't easy just because you weigh 300.
And no the blocking motion is not bench to a T. Blocking motion is more like an incline medicine ball plyo movement. Your hands are never in a bench position. But what do I know. I was just a tackle in college.
This...A big part of S/C is mental. You can have all the bells and whistles and new gadgets you want, but if you can't get the guys to come into the weight room ready to give everything they have then you aren't the guy for the job.
Just reading some of the comments this past February and March from the players about how sore they were from the new workouts told me what I needed to hear. No sane person should really enjoy leg day...ever...
http://cyclonefanatic.com/football/...ngth-conditioning-coordinator-yancy-mcknight/
Re-read this. Yancy talks at length about how bad things were when they arrived in 2009.
Re-read this. Yancy talks at length about how bad things were when they arrived in 2009.
