Where did it sat we were getting stronger? If anything it says were just plain weak.
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Where did it sat we were getting stronger? If anything it says were just plain weak.
thought that he was talking about our guys but I guess he was talking about Toledo players
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Yeah he was saying the Toledo had 27 guys benching over 400 and ISU had 1 when he got here.
I've heard this before for years with every coaching change. Seems like a "red herring" to me. I'll take Oklahoma players with an ISU sociology professor as strength and conditioning coach and probably will do just fine. I'm sure Alabama and Ohio State's strength and conditioning coachs are really, really good. It's the players lifting the weights that matter. Not so much how they lift the weights.
I'm optimistic the team will improve & I like what I've heard from the staff and S/C coach.
But, this also seems a little reminiscent of what we heard when the Rhoads' staff took over.
Hope this time there is legit improvement that allows us to be competitive in our P5 conference.
But, this also seems a little reminiscent of what we heard when the Rhoads' staff took over.
Hope this time there is legit improvement that allows us to be competitive in our P5 conference.
They made statements in the past about how the last SC program didn't want to bulk kids up because they wanted them stay faster to play in space better. To me this means they may have been having them do lighter weights with higher reps. I don't know, but just guessing. If that is true, it isn't crazy to believe what the new coaches are saying. It isn't like they are just using basic terms like "we need to get stronger". They put numbers to it
Let's just see the fundamentals improve and improving strength on the field.
This is supposed to be a bad year for the Oline and if there's improvement there, or that turns out to be an actual strength/reliable position this season, that could mark a true indicator of the effect of the new coaches.
This is supposed to be a bad year for the Oline and if there's improvement there, or that turns out to be an actual strength/reliable position this season, that could mark a true indicator of the effect of the new coaches.
I know that this is going to get the same, "we say this every coaching change," but I had 0 faith in our old strength & conditioning program. You can't chalk up all those injuries to bad luck and go watch the game against NDSU. Our guys had 0 in the tank in that heat and NDSU seemed unaffected. Count how many of our guys went down due to cramps/being tired. It was embarrassing.
We only had about 4 guys drafted Rhoads entire tenure. Guys rarely improved throughout their career. We lost most every game we played. And had an obscene amount of injuries... yet we were all supposed to believe the strength staff was one of the best in business.
Of course, they were only 1 piece of the puzzle, but there was literally nothing for them to hang their hat on.
we got fed that the players loved him too. I always thought that was strange, shouldn't you hate your strength coach for putting you through hell, then love him after all the wins for being the core of the program? Me thinks the players loved him because instead of throwing up big weights they got to run on 50 thousand dollar treadmills that do the work for you to lengthen your stride...
I hope they rely more on core lifts like bench, squat, clean and jerk, snatch, dead lift. We did the Nebraska strength program when I was in high school, and let me tell you, it beefed you up. It's embarrassing that we don't have many benching 400 lbs when we are talking about men who weigh 290-325 lbs. I assume Rhoads had more focus on the squat, than other core lifts. If you're going to choose one, that would be the right one to choose I suppose.
All I have to say is that ISU have lost dozens of game in the last 10 years because they could get one freaking yard to get a first down at the end of the game. It has probably happened 7 times in the last 10 years against KSU. Lack of strength in the OL is definitely one of the issues ISU has suffered from for quite a while.
You can acheive the same results with multi joint lifts. I feel like crossfit is just people being flashy at times, but that could also just be my own ignorance.
It makes me laugh when people say things like 400 isn't much. 400 is still a lot for a 300 lber. If you're 6'7" and have a 38" shirt sleeve 400 takes much more force than a 230 lber with much shorter arms. 1 rep max isn't nearly as important of a number as 225 rep max. That number gives you a better idea of wether someone can maintain explosiveness with stamina.
Also the most important core lift for football especially OL is cleans followed by squat. Bench is a distant third. In reality incline is a more natural football motion than bench.
People get far too worked up about 1 rep max numbers.
