Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

[HFCS]

Lets say the B1G takes ISU and KU to get to 16. Good geography, AAU, solid universities. Makes scheduling much easier for the B1G with the pod system, potential for two more B1G branded semi final games, etc etc. And then WVU gets into the ACC.

In that scenario, you have five Big 12 leftovers. Then, assuming the PAC wants to match all the other conferences and get to 16, who do they take? To me, TTU and OSU seem like natural fits in the PAC. That leaves BU, TCU, and KSU. Which two of those three does the PAC take? Or are there G5's with better academics or larger enrollments?

If only any of it could be that rational. Instead it's thing like Rutgers to big ten.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I hope your right. It’s all about branding. Our marketing dept needs to go balls to the walls the next 5 months, showing us off whenever and where ever we can. Thank god we have 1 and maybe 2 legit Heisman candidates and a team that is elite that should make it easier. There isn’t a lot in all this that is in our control but We have the opportunity to move the needle some in this way and I hope (and believe we will) capitalize on it.

We should just win the damn national championship and make it easy for the marketing department.

 

[JM4CY]

We should just win the damn national championship and make it easy for the marketing department.

 

[Trice]

This is less about realignment and more about management of college football. When the SEC expanded the Pac 12 was the first to say, "we should pause this expansion of the playoff" and the Big Ten, through Ohio State, kept the conversation going. The money growth, going forward, is in the playoffs with one network claiming, "why bid on the regular season if it doesn't include any post season games?". The SEC's move to grab TX/OU was to try and grab as many spots in the 12 as possible, with ESPN controlling all the properties. Two things occur by waiting:

1) You force the SEC to have less teams in the playoffs, even if TX/OU move early and
2) By waiting 5 years you allow other entities (network or streaming) to bid on the post season instead of allowing ESPN to keep it longer.

This "alliance" if it comes out, would be about voting control to ensure the end game stays even, and devising a system to balance the scales further, like the auto champs, etc. Much of CFB is now looking at ESPN wearily.

I expected this from the Pac/Big Ten, but it was a bit surprising to see the ACC involved. They must be equally pissed with the SEC's moves. One of the best moves for the Pac/Big Ten right now is carve up the Big 12 until both are at 16, play 9 conference games, then play a home and home scheduling alliance to get to 11. This would allow both conferences to take more inventory, of higher quality games, to market to sell, increasing the value of the deal. Hell, some could be designed to be made for TV, launching the season with the top four from each conference playing each other in like DC, Chicago, Denver/Phoenix, LA like the SEC does with the CFA.

Having the Pac/Big Ten matched up with 32 teams controls half of the current P5, adding the ACC, with ND, controls 74% of the votes to counter the SEC/ESPN block.

What you're saying is a much more elaborate version of this thread, which I posted elsewhere. It makes a lot of sense and is much more about posturing and standing up to the SEC and ESPN than it is any kind of meaningful realignment.

If it proves true, we're still alive, which is all that matters for now.

 

[Rogue52]

If it’s just a voting alliance, it makes no sense that the Big 12 wouldn’t be included.

 

[AuH2O]

I hope your right. It’s all about branding. Our marketing dept needs to go balls to the walls the next 5 months, showing us off whenever and where ever we can. Thank god we have 1 and maybe 2 legit Heisman candidates and a team that is elite that should make it easier. There isn’t a lot in all this that is in our control but We have the opportunity to move the needle some in this way and I hope (and believe we will) capitalize on it.

And what the hell can ISU, KU or OSU do right now? They can’t bail until the dust settles on the OU and UT stuff. And the other leagues can’t just sit around and let the SEC destroy CFB. The other leagues working in an alliance that doesn’t move teams doesn’t hurt anything necessarily. And there’s no reason for the Big 10 to do anything financial with the other two leagues.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

If it’s just a voting alliance, it makes no sense that the Big 12 wouldn’t be included.

Maybe beyond a voting alliance, this is an agreement not to turn on each other; but work together. So, no raiding the P12 by the B10.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

If it’s just a voting alliance, it makes no sense that the Big 12 wouldn’t be included.

I think it’s more than that. Adam Rittenberg confirmed all this and I trust him a lot.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

If we go to G5.... I suggest we cut all sports except for football and MBB.

Title IX would like a word with you.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

How Bob Bowlsby still has a job over everything that’s transpired over the last month is beyond me. The guy is trash.

 

[CloneJD]

I think this big10-acc-pac12 voting alliance is further evidence we are heAded to an sec super league. Im a bit shocked the big10 would Seeming admit they are playing second fiddle to the sec. if it’s the sec vs everyone else the sec will win that battle.

 

[Cyclones1969]

I think this big10-acc-pac12 voting alliance is further evidence we are heAded to an sec super league. Im a bit shocked the big10 would Seeming admit they are playing second fiddle to the sec. if it’s the sec vs everyone else the sec will win that battle.

Agreed. The repercussions of this, on the name programs on those conferences will be far reaching.

 

[OnlyCyclones]

I think this big10-acc-pac12 voting alliance is further evidence we are heAded to an sec super league. Im a bit shocked the big10 would Seeming admit they are playing second fiddle to the sec. if it’s the sec vs everyone else the sec will win that battle.

No they won’t. If battlelines are drawn the vast majority of fans are on the north and west side of it. No matter how good they are or how hyped they are, if the SEC doesn’t play ball and gets excluded from the rest of CFB the national viewers will dry up quickly. No one nationally cares about regional competitions if they don’t somehow tie into the national one.

 

[CloneJD]

No they won’t. If battlelines are drawn the vast majority of fans are on the north and west side of it. No matter how good they are or how hyped they are, if the SEC doesn’t play ball and gets excluded from the rest of CFB the national viewers will dry up quickly. No one nationally cares about regional competitions if they don’t somehow tie into the national one.

Lol until the sec picks off those northern and western national brands. I hate the sec but they have become the ‘it’ conference and everyone else is looking from the outside in.

 

[Cyclones1969]

No they won’t. If battlelines are drawn the vast majority of fans are on the north and west side of it. No matter how good they are or how hyped they are, if the SEC doesn’t play ball and gets excluded from the rest of CFB the national viewers will dry up quickly. No one nationally cares about regional competitions if they don’t somehow tie into the national one.

I would concur with north, west not so much.

it was defense. They had no choice. The threat of Disney buying the big names from the big and pac 10 is still real.

And There was no reason to include the big 12 since it won’t be in existence when the all this is sorted out.

 

[AuH2O]

If it’s just a voting alliance, it makes no sense that the Big 12 wouldn’t be included.

It may also include non-con scheduling. Either way, no need to include the big 12. The Big 10, ACC and PAC in lock step are enough to counter the SEC if needed. Any scheduling or voting alliance will be for next year and beyond, so why would they want to tie in with the Big 12. They don’t know at this point who will be there and who will not. If 2-3 teams join other conferences you don’t want to be locked into some 5-6 skeleton of a league. If 4 go, it’s dissolved. And if it stays intact they don’t know who the league might pick up. It just doesn’t make sense for many reasons for these leagues to be making deals with the Big 12, because they don’t really know who’s going to be in the league or if it will even exist in three years.

 

[Clonedogg]

If it’s just a voting alliance, it makes no sense that the Big 12 wouldn’t be included.

Because the Big12 will be in the Pac20...huh huh

 

[cykadelic2]

1) You force the SEC to have less teams in the playoffs, even if TX/OU move early and
2) By waiting 5 years you allow other entities (network or streaming) to bid on the post season instead of allowing ESPN to keep it longer.

This "alliance" if it comes out, would be about voting control to ensure the end game stays even, and devising a system to balance the scales further, like the auto champs, etc. Much of CFB is now looking at ESPN wearily.

I expected this from the Pac/Big Ten, but it was a bit surprising to see the ACC involved. They must be equally pissed with the SEC's moves.

Given the ACC's long term contractual relationship with ESPN and the Alliance motive to neuter ESPN and the SEC, it is somewhat surprising to see the ACC's involvement. But they also have an ulterior motive of expanding to re-do their ESPN contract, preferably with Notre Dame.

As you suggest, the 3 conferences aren't likely to stand pat as a result of this Alliance.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

To me this alliance is the other three conferences telling the SEC, you know that deal we had about moving the playoff to 12 teams. That was under the idea that there were going to be 5 P5 conferences and now that you have gutted the Big 12 we are not going to allow you to get 4 to 6 teams every year into the playoff. So now the deal is now off the board and we will work against you until we figure out what we are going to do.

 

[cykadelic2]

To me this alliance is the other three conferences telling the SEC, you know that deal we had about moving the playoff to 12 teams. That was under the idea that there were going to be 5 P5 conferences and now that you have gutted the Big 12 we are not going to allow you to get 4 to 6 teams every year into the playoff. So now the deal is now off the board and we will work against you until we figure out what we are going to do.

It is more of a message to ESPN as indicated here. By providing other bidders access to future CFP rights, that will increase their bids for regular season content and better enable expansion funding for the B10 and P12 to the benefit of remaining B12 schools, including ISU: