RECRUITING: Iowa State hosting Tyler Harris this weekend

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I'm thinking that the information was the product of an individual's effort in his workplace, information which is offered exclusively to subscribers of that business. If information, not available yet elsewhere, was taken from that business and distributed, seems like theft to me.

Legally theft? Hell, I don't know. OK, rather than theft, I'll use the word unethical.

I have personal knowledge about how diligently one has to work to unearth recruiting news. Long hours, now and then a clever way to go about unearthing this or that morsel of information . . . and then, in an instant, poof! it appears elsewhere via someone pirating that information from a paid venue to a free venue.



Think about it another way as well. I am writing a book, I take information from another book (that costs money to buy) and put it in my book but I provide proper citation to the work. Is that unethical? According to you, it would be. It took a lot of time and effort for the first person to write that book and get it published and then BANG someone takes some info and puts it another book.
 
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I'm thinking that the information was the product of an individual's effort in his workplace, information which is offered exclusively to subscribers of that business. If information, not available yet elsewhere, was taken from that business and distributed, seems like theft to me.

Legally theft? Hell, I don't know. OK, rather than theft, I'll use the word unethical.

I have personal knowledge about how diligently one has to work to unearth recruiting news. Long hours, now and then a clever way to go about unearthing this or that morsel of information . . . and then, in an instant, poof! it appears elsewhere via someone pirating that information from a paid venue to a free venue.
I get what you're saying, that's why I try to refrain from asking what information Pay-sites are posting. But in today's world of recruiting and social media, if it is on a pay site, within a couple days at most it will be tweeted out by the Jerry Meyer's or Rothstein's of the world. So everyone is going to hear it one way or another. Some are just too impatient to wait haha
 
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Think about it another way as well. I am righting a book, I take information from another book (that costs money to buy) and put it in my book but I provide proper citation to the work. Is that unethical? According to you, it would be. It took a lot of time and effort for the first person to right that book and get it published and then BANG someone takes some info and puts it another book.
I would hope not...
 

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Think about it another way as well. I am writing a book, I take information from another book (that costs money to buy) and put it in my book but I provide proper citation to the work. Is that unethical? According to you, it would be. It took a lot of time and effort for the first person to right that book and get it published and then BANG someone takes some info and puts it another book.

I assume you're giving your book away for free when you're done righting it?
 

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What about using Microsoft paint to make edits of them ?


I wait for a recruit to be committed or signed before I make (bad) edits for them. Honestly, those days are done though. Too much work to make and I'm not even good at it. The backlash isn't worth it either from people like you.
 

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I wait for a recruit to be committed or signed before I make (bad) edits for them. Honestly, those days are done though. Too much work to make and I'm not even good at it. The backlash isn't worth it either from people like you.


Wasn't trying to be a d-ck. I'm sure the recruits appreciate the edits you do and I know many people (myself included) appreciate the hard work you put in filming and cutting up Cap City highlights. You're not a media member but you've developed a following for your edits, videos and takes on ISU basketball and part of being in the public light comes criticism. Tweeting about recruits and your thoughts on why we won't land them is going to bring criticism from fans. If you don't want people to tweet or write negative things about your takes or edits or whatever then don't put them out there publicly.
 
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Think about it another way as well. I am writing a book, I take information from another book (that costs money to buy) and put it in my book but I provide proper citation to the work. Is that unethical? According to you, it would be. It took a lot of time and effort for the first person to write that book and get it published and then BANG someone takes some info and puts it another book.

Or another example - It costs researchers time and money to conduct studies. It takes months or years to have things edited for a peer-reviewed journal for publication.

then the news comes along and summarizes your findings on their nightly newscast. "Researchers hint towards breakthrough on new cancer drug." or "New research finds Cyclonefanaitc.com is good for your mental health."

Someone paid good money and long effort to create or research something and the news comes along and tells all their viewers for free. How is that any different than what we're talking about? If a subscription to "Cancer Research Digest" costs money (which I'm certain all journals do), how is it any different for the news to summarize their info and disseminate for free?

Serious question - I'd like to know how this is ethically different. Are you suggesting we should keep non-copyrighted information locked-up for a select few?
 
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Or another example - It costs researchers time and money to conduct studies. It takes months or years to have things edited for a peer-reviewed journal for publication.

then the news comes along and summarizes your findings on their nightly newscast. "Researchers hint towards breakthrough on new cancer drug." or "New research finds Cyclonefanaitc.com is good for your mental health."

Someone paid good money and long effort to create or research something and the news comes along and tells all their viewers for free. How is that any different than what we're talking about?

Comparing medical research to recruiting news. God, I love this site
 

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Wasn't trying to be a d-ck. I'm sure the recruits appreciate the edits you do and I know many people (myself included) appreciate the hard work you put in filming and cutting up Cap City highlights. You're not a media member but you've developed a following for your edits, videos and takes on ISU basketball and part of being in the public light comes criticism. Tweeting about recruits and your thoughts on why we won't land them is going to bring criticism from fans. If you don't want people to tweet or write negative things about your takes or edits or whatever then don't put them out there publicly.
Me neither (sorry) and you bring up good points. Sometimes I feel like I'm held to a higher standard than other normal fans probably because of my CCL videos so you're right, I need to be more careful at what I say.
 
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Think about it another way as well. I am writing a book, I take information from another book (that costs money to buy) and put it in my book but I provide proper citation to the work. Is that unethical? According to you, it would be. It took a lot of time and effort for the first person to write that book and get it published and then BANG someone takes some info and puts it another book.

I mentioned above that I do not know the legalities. I do believe it is lawful to quote and attribute small passages of another's published work, but mostly I am guessing.

In the case which we're discussing, we're not talking about a passage in a larger work, we're talking about the entire value of information in question. It's a message at a paid site, not a book; the business owner's work, therefore its value, is within that relatively short post. To post that information elsewhere is to deprive that author of his entire work, which might have been ongoing over months.

If someone wants to post that information here, let him or her put in the work to first find that information rather than take it from there and post it here.

Don't know the legalities. But, in my humble opinion, yes, it is unethical to post that information here.

PS - Another question. Why would someone, who reads that information on a paid site, be motivated to scurry over here to post it? Is it not enough to possess the information for which you paid at that site? Is it merely ego that causes someone to race over here and post it, as if to say, "Ah-ha, look at what I know!"
 

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But in today's world of recruiting and social media, if it is on a pay site, within a couple days at most it will be tweeted out by the Jerry Meyer's or Rothstein's of the world.

I do believe that is an excuse, a rationale, to do the wrong thing. Let others do the unethical thing, do not use others' errors to excuse you (speaking generally) for following along that path.
 

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My last comment on this situation: Tweeting about a recruit (what I did) is way different than tweeting directly at a recruit.
You keep telling everyone to quit talking about you and your tweet but you seem to be the only one who can't shut up about it.

Hint: quit talking about it and discussion about it will go away.
 

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Or another example - It costs researchers time and money to conduct studies. It takes months or years to have things edited for a peer-reviewed journal for publication. . . .

If you're arguing that a no-holds-barred approach (it seems to me that you are), ownership of one's work be damned, all is free and nothing is protected, I'm at a loss to argue further.
 
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I will give you an update on Tyler Harris. VIP info. Staff thinks they are in really good position with Harris and I would call them the favorite right now. He will take an official to ISU for sure.
He did have a great showing recently and could pick up a few more offers and in recruiting, things are always fluid and there are a lot of moving parts so things could change. But right now ISU is the favorite. Now pay me $10!

Thanks for the encouragement.

The number of guys we've been clubhouse leaders on lately and not ended up with, however... Juiston, Morrow, McNeill, just to name a few... is discouraging, though.

I know CW and other media members are trying to give us information and encouragement without giving falsehoods or speculation, but we have whiffed a lot lately.
 

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I do believe that is an excuse, a rationale, to do the wrong thing. Let others do the unethical thing, do not use others' errors to excuse you (speaking generally) for following along that path.
I'm not saying it is or isn't, I'm just stating that is how things are in today's world. Whether you Like it or Not, pay sites are great and I pay for a good amount of information via those sites. But with college basketball recruiting, as nice as it is to have the first access to information, it will probably come out later that week because the biggest recruiting analysts are wanting to get the clicks and they have the final say when disclosing information (whether a lot or a little) from a pay site.
 

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I'm not saying it is or isn't, I'm just stating that is how things are in today's world.

Bottom line: I will not do what I believe is unethical and transport information from a pay site to a free site. Others will do what they will do. In today's world, ethical behavior, generally, does not seem to be valued. That is sad.
 
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